JSW Central - a website dedicated to Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy games for the ZX Spectrum

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Re: JSW Central - a website dedicated to Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy games for the ZX Spectrum

Post by Ralf » Wed May 29, 2019 4:59 pm

Having had experience of Elite Systems I prefer just to comply. I don't have the time or energy to deal with one of their letters. I don't have any insight into WoS.
Good choice. I wouldn't lose any minimal amount of my energy to fight with them too. Anybody will be able to get these games in dozens of other places anywhere. And for their actions they'll get some karma back sooner or later :twisted:
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Post by PeterJ » Wed May 29, 2019 5:41 pm

Thanks @Ralf
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Re: JSW Central - a website dedicated to Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy games for the ZX Spectrum

Post by spider » Fri May 31, 2019 5:55 am

I guess this means my future plans (eventual, very eventual) for a Kokotoni Wilf editor are scuppered if there's going to be any uncertainty in the near future.
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Re: JSW Central - a website dedicated to Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy games for the ZX Spectrum

Post by jetsetdanny » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:19 pm

jetsetdanny wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 12:22 am
Einar Saukas wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 1:37 pm

Would it be easy for you to send me a list of all your game page links with the corresponding ID (in WoS/SC/ZXDB) for each one? It can be a text file, spreadsheet, or whatever you like. I would like to import this list into ZXDB, so sites like Spectrum Computing can provide links to your site.
As a next step, I will prepare the list you've mentioned, Einar, of all game page links with the corresponding ID SC/ZXDB for each one. However, I want to do more than that. I will prepare and send you all the files which are not hosted here but could or perhaps should be, and various other comments and suggestions where appropriate (e.g. about games which are missing from here, or about cases where there is an RZX recording of a game on the RZX Archive but no link to it on the game's page on Spectrum Computing, etc.).

It will take me a little while to do it, and due to some extreme work-related real life distractions I don't think I'll be able to start this work in earnest until about a month from now. So the ETA will probably be around the end of July, or even later. I'll do my best not to take too long, but I also want to do a thorough job of it.
Real life has been relatively kind in that I have been able to start work on the list already, and, hopefully, it will be ready by the end of the month.

One question though:

On WoS several games by The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!! have an adult status. "Allow adult search results (opt-in)" must be turned on through the Infoseek Config facility to view the game or find it using Sinclair Infoseek. An example of such a game is Jet Set Willy: The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!!, which is here on WoS and here on SC.

Its SC page is missing the downloads which WoS is offering (as well as e.g. title-screen and in-game screenshots). I am pretty sure that this doesn't have anything to do with someone asking for the files to be taken down, but rather with the game's adult status on WoS. IIRC, it's the same with the other games by The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!! which have this particular status on WoS.

My question is: Is there any equivalent of 'Adult status' on SC? Is it that I'm not seeing the download files because of some setting I don't have turned on, or is it just that the files are really missing from SC?
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Re: JSW Central - a website dedicated to Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy games for the ZX Spectrum

Post by R-Tape » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:32 pm

jetsetdanny wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:19 pm
My question is: Is there any equivalent of 'Adult status' on SC? Is it that I'm not seeing the download files because of some setting I don't have turned on, or is it just that the files are really missing from SC?
Any games that are listed as adult in ZXDB are not shown in an SC search (there is no setting to turn on/off), if you know the ID directly you can work out what the webaddress will be and type that in - but you only see info and possibly screenshots here. You would have to go elsewhere for files. Just to be clear - SC doesn't have any objection to adult games, but some of us work in education and we need to be extra careful :)

Having said that - isn't there a good case to reappraise the status of some of The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!!'s games? Some of them are a bit sweary, but it generally takes more than that to get an adult rating.
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Re: JSW Central - a website dedicated to Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy games for the ZX Spectrum

Post by Einar Saukas » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:02 pm

jetsetdanny wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:19 pm
Real life has been relatively kind in that I have been able to start work on the list already, and, hopefully, it will be ready by the end of the month.
Great! Thank you!

jetsetdanny wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:19 pm
One question though:

On WoS several games by The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!! have an adult status. "Allow adult search results (opt-in)" must be turned on through the Infoseek Config facility to view the game or find it using Sinclair Infoseek. An example of such a game is Jet Set Willy: The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!!, which is here on WoS and here on SC.

Its SC page is missing the downloads which WoS is offering (as well as e.g. title-screen and in-game screenshots). I am pretty sure that this doesn't have anything to do with someone asking for the files to be taken down, but rather with the game's adult status on WoS. IIRC, it's the same with the other games by The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!! which have this particular status on WoS.

My question is: Is there any equivalent of 'Adult status' on SC? Is it that I'm not seeing the download files because of some setting I don't have turned on, or is it just that the files are really missing from SC?
All files are indexed in ZXDB, but SC disables searches, screenshots and download files for any title marked as "x-rated".

However all this information can be seen at ZXInfo. Just follow the link you will find near the bottom of every game page at SC.
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Re: JSW Central - a website dedicated to Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy games for the ZX Spectrum

Post by jetsetdanny » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:18 am

Thanks, guys!

This probably means that it doesn't make sense for me to provide any files of The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!!'s games, because the reason they are not hosted is not because you don't have them, but because they have an adult rating in ZXDB.

I agree that it would be good to reappraise the status of The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!!'s games which are X-rated. If it were my choice, I wouldn't consider them adult titles (in spite of the vulgarities and some sexual references which appear in them). Having said that, I don't know what the level of sensitivity is usually applied for these decisions here :? .
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Re: JSW Central - a website dedicated to Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy games for the ZX Spectrum

Post by StooB » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:33 am

jetsetdanny wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:18 am
I agree that it would be good to reappraise the status of The DrUnKeN mAsTeR!!!'s games which are X-rated. If it were my choice, I wouldn't consider them adult titles (in spite of the vulgarities and some sexual references which appear in them). Having said that, I don't know what the level of sensitivity is usually applied for these decisions here :? .
Bearing in mind that there are now 10 year olds visiting the site, this is unlikely to change!
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Post by spider » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:20 am

I considered things like that at one point with COPPA etc but given how it is so easy to just enter whatever you like there seemed little point as the 'blame' would never fall the correct way unfortunately. I'm not even sure how valid those rules are across countries anyway given the 'global' nature of the internet.

This reminds me of how parents buy an 18+ 'game' for their small offspring's console then complain its unsuitable with content etc. I say "well would you take them to see an 18 film at the cinema?" , the answer is usually "no" , so my reply would be something along the lines of "you purchased it knowing its rating" but it tends to end with something like "but its only a game!" , rock vs hard place with this kind of thing really unfortunately. You can't win. :lol:

Back on topic, the site updates look very good Danny now I've actually had a few more minutes to digest them. Top work! :D
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Re: JSW Central - a website dedicated to Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy games for the ZX Spectrum

Post by jetsetdanny » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:28 am

Thanks, Andy! :)
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