Head over Heels back on Steam

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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by holycross » Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:58 pm

8BitAG wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:37 am
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:15 am
Great Escape and Where Time Stood Still are also available on Steam (although do not appear to be the Spectrum Versions) - they form part of a Ocean Classics Volume 1
They are the DOS ports from back in the day. Not the best.

Although I imagine in this example its all above board, I always wonder when I see these things as to who has granted permission for their release and how the original contracts, regarding royalties, are honoured. It seems like an almost impossible task to track down the correct people to do things correctly, as we've seen in the past with some crowdfunded projects. Just getting permission from whoever says they own the IP doesn't, to me, seem to be enough.
they bought the rights of head over heels apparently:"Retrospec did the game without rights or license. We actually own this IP and went through the trouble of buying the game and the IP.

Then we went through the trouble of buying this version from Retrospec.

Also it has a new soundtrack"
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by Ralf » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:46 pm

Yep, this Head over Heels on Steam is actually Retrospec version which was available for free on Retrospec website for years.

Recently our old "friend" Paul Andrews (yes, the man from the Vega+ saga) started to purchase licenses for old Spectrum games
and I believe he's behind that Head over Heels story.

I've also seen a discussion on Facebook where it was mentioned that he probably purchased rights for Horace games as well
and that he's currently harrasing people that use Horace character in their creations ;)

Make your own opinion about it.
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by StooB » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:34 pm

Ralf wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:46 pm
Yep, this Head over Heels on Steam is actually Retrospec version which was available for free on Retrospec website for years.

Recently our old "friend" Paul Andrews (yes, the man from the Vega+ saga) started to purchase licenses for old Spectrum games
and I believe he's behind that Head over Heels story.

I've also seen a discussion on Facebook where it was mentioned that he probably purchased rights for Horace games as well
and that he's currently harrasing people that use Horace character in their creations ;)

Make your own opinion about it.
Piko Interactive isn't Paul Andrews; Andrews has apparently bought the "trademarks" of Horace and Miner Willy and is getting merchandise removed from sites like RedBubble. Meanwhile, it's Steve Wilcox of Elite who is claiming to own the "copyright" on Miner Willy and is sending out demands for £1500 in "damages".

Facebook's not the best place for accurate information on this as there's a certain person there with an agenda against Andrews, and that person is the reason this forum exists!
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by holycross » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:31 pm

8BitAG wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:11 pm
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:21 am
It's more the titles of movie tie-ins like 'The Great Escape', or licenses of arcade conversions, where I wonder how they perpetuate.
Was The Great Escape actually a licensed game? I know it has the movie's music. It's one of those topics that I've heard arguments about in the past.
The manual of the Great Escape explained it wasn't related to any movie,etc. The plot of the game also has absolutely nothing to do with, it, , only common point is it talks about a prisoner
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by Ralf » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:38 pm

Piko Interactive isn't Paul Andrews; Andrews has apparently bought the "trademarks" of Horace and Miner Willy and is getting merchandise removed from sites like RedBubble. Meanwhile, it's Steve Wilcox of Elite who is claiming to own the "copyright" on Miner Willy and is sending out demands for £1500 in "damages".
So now they both claim that they own copyrights for Miner Willy? That's getting hilarious ;)

Unfortunately that's how bringing back Spectrum games to wide audience looks in practice.
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by Ralf » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:47 pm

The manual of the Great Escape explained it wasn't related to any movie,etc. The plot of the game also has absolutely nothing to do with, it, , only common point is it talks about a prisoner
It's obviously related to the movie but you may be partially right as it seems they didn't pay any cash to the movie creators so it's not
an official license. Somehow they got through with it.

Any resemblance to any actual movie is purely coincidental. No sh*t, Sherlock ;)
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by 8BitAG » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:13 pm

Ralf wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:47 pm
It's obviously related to the movie but you may be partially right as it seems they didn't pay any cash to the movie creators so it's not
an official license. Somehow they got through with it.

Any resemblance to any actual movie is purely coincidental. No sh*t, Sherlock ;)
Aside from the use of the "march" (and sharing the title & theme) there aren't any other obvious ties to the movie anywhere.

Mind you, it wouldn't be unusual for the 1980s to have licensed a tune and base the game around that, rather than obtain a license for the movie, TV show, or other property that the tune was from! :)
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by holycross » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:56 pm

I noticed zx spectrum and DOS appears to be the only ones having the March music, c64 has a specific music, Amstrad has none.
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by Neil Parsons » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:55 pm

In which manner will affect the way Paul Andrews actings sueing or banning ZX Spectrum stuff from WOS site to other ZX Spectrum webs? Quite recently, all Automata stuff has been removed from WOS archive, and I believe he's behind what Fogarty had to do (supposingly) against his will.

I wonder if it could be a form to stop/ban him before the damage is all done and say goodbye to retrogaming as we already know. He is not the first "entrepeneur" who tries to make his August at the expense of the goodwill of all Spectrum community (and also from other systems affected or to be affected in the next future) for ages.
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by toot_toot » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:01 pm

He’s stated he’s fine with people using Horace and other IPs he owns, except if they’re sold commercially that the company makes a donation to charity instead of the license fee.

I think asking WoS to remove Automata games might be retaliation for Lee’s alleged involvement during the Vega+ campaign.

He also doesn’t own Head Over Heels. But he does now own Match Day and other Ocean titles.
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