Head over Heels back on Steam

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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by Einar Saukas » Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:16 am

toot_toot wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:01 pm
He’s stated he’s fine with people using Horace and other IPs he owns, except if they’re sold commercially that the company makes a donation to charity instead of the license fee.
Frankly this sounds quite reasonable to me...
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by R-Tape » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:17 am

Einar Saukas wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:16 am
toot_toot wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:01 pm
He’s stated he’s fine with people using Horace and other IPs he owns, except if they’re sold commercially that the company makes a donation to charity instead of the license fee.
Frankly this sounds quite reasonable to me...
And me too. Very reasonable.

However, we can't ignore the fact that the aggressive policing of the Horace IP regarding Octavius is well out of order and concerns about sexualising Horace are just plain weird. It's one local example, but it's generally concerning. He's seen the response - a bewilderment of horny horaces all over twitter and ill-will towards his own commercial projects. I hope he's capable of realising he's massively dropped a bollock and learns accordingly.
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by StooB » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:27 am

toot_toot wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:01 pm
I think asking WoS to remove Automata games might be retaliation for Lee’s alleged involvement during the Vega+ campaign.
There's nothing "alleged" about it. Mel Croucher spoke to The Register anonymously about not being paid over Automata games on the Vega, then Fogarty went and named him on twitter. Mark Cale of System 3 also had his games taken down because Fogarty was going around saying Cale was lying about not being paid.
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by redballoon » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:51 am

R-Tape wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:17 am

And me too. Very reasonable.

However, we can't ignore the fact that the aggressive policing of the Horace IP regarding Octavius is well out of order and concerns about sexualising Horace are just plain weird. It's one local example, but it's generally concerning. He's seen the response - a bewilderment of horny horaces all over twitter and ill-will towards his own commercial projects. I hope he's capable of realising he's massively dropped a bollock and learns accordingly.
Yip. He also has the right to protect his trademarks, but it was the manner he did it in that grates.
Incidently, you can see his other trademarks at https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmown ... 8&domain=1
Look at the state of that Manic Miner logo and sprite. FFS!
Here’s what I think about all this. I thi [REDACTED]
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by toot_toot » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:01 am

I think the overreaction to this is the thing that annoys me. He got in touch with YouTube because he was unhappy how his IP was being used. It wasn't because he owns the IP and doesn't want anyone to use it or he wanted them taken down for commercial reasons. He was unhappy how it was being used in a sexual manner. That's his prerogative. YouTube then issued copyright strikes against Octavius Kitten, how YouTube administers its copyright management might be very hard lined, but it's a company that deals with 300+ videos being uploaded a minute. It likely doesn't care or have time for a YouTuber that has under 10k views per video.

However, the mob like thinking to then attack him, including threats of physical violence, when he hadn't even given his side of the story, unfortunately is a sad reflection of British retro gaming. It's also sad that one of the "good guys" when it comes to IP is now being attacked. He was behind the original Vega and The 64, he's clearly stated he's happy for any of his IP to be used as long as there is a charitable donation if the game is sold commercially and yet there's a mob mentality to hound him out.
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by R-Tape » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:09 am

toot_toot wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:01 am
I think the overreaction to this is the thing that annoys me. He got in touch with YouTube because he was unhappy how his IP was being used. It wasn't because he owns the IP and doesn't want anyone to use it or he wanted them taken down for commercial reasons. He was unhappy how it was being used in a sexual manner.
Don't you think that's absurd? Anyway, I don't even recall there being anything that saucy.
That's his prerogative.
And with hindsight (surprised it's needed to be honest!), has he judged the mood of a significant portion of his potential customer base well?
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by redballoon » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:07 am

toot_toot wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:01 am
It's also sad that one of the "good guys" when it come to IP
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree here. *shrug*
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by toot_toot » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:34 am

redballoon wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:07 am
toot_toot wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:01 am
It's also sad that one of the "good guys" when it come to IP
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree here. *shrug*
I guess we will have to agree to disagree! :D

He has stated he is more than happy with any IP he owns can be used, as long as his company is credited and if it's a commercial release, that his company's license fees are donated to charity. If he does continue with that approach, then at least he's acquired some IP that are now free from being exploited from the likes of the company that bought the Head over Heels licence, amongst others, or the likes of Tim Langdell who claimed to own the rights to the use of the name "Edge" in anything to do with games. Hopefully Andrews continues with that viewpoint and this incident hasn't made him change his mind.

I'd much rather see IP rights being bought up by someone who is part of the retro community and is happy with the games being freely distributed, but any commercial usage needs to be donated to charity. Or else we end up with someone like Atari suing everyone under the sun, like for using Breakout in a Kit Kat advert!
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by hikoki » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:47 am

This thing about charities donations is just an excuse. GRRRR
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Re: Head over Heels back on Steam

Post by 4thRock » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:51 am

Why can't people move on and create new stuff ? Specially if the old stuff is troublesome or negative.
Move on and create an original character, with no problems attached, and make your videos, games, etc. in peace.
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