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Rorthron wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:42 pm Sinbad and the Golden Ship cover

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Title drawing for Chapter Eight of How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way

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Also used for the Mastertronic M.A.D. Flash Gordon cover - Ming the Merciless’ head (on my phone so cant attach the image)

Looks like it’s the same artist doing both covers
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Rorthron wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:45 am And another one:

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Rapid Fire cover

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A closer fit is this image:

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Juan F. Ramirez wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:51 pm Not artwork, but this loading screen of "Chambers of Horrors” by Omega Software reminds me of certain character used by a great rock band in their covers back in the 80s...

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It looks like it was based on the cover of Piece of Mind (1983).

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Exactly, that's it

They had a bunch of great LP covers, by the way.
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Dracula, by CRL (1986)
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Still from Nosferatu movie (1922), showing shadow of Graf Orlock on stairs
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Did many games have those age ratings? I don't believe I've seen one on a Spectrum game before.

Maybe that could be some useful information to store in the database.
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Rorthron wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:42 pm Title drawing for Chapter Eight of How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way
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This also looks like it was used for the rotozoomer part in Second Reality.
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djnzx48 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:48 am Did many games have those age ratings? I don't believe I've seen one on a Spectrum game before.
I've obly seen that logo in these CRL horror text adventure series (Dracula, Frankenstein, Wolfman and another one IIRC).

Was is something imposed by the industry (something like the current PEGI) or by the company itself?
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I just found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_B ... _and_scope
In December 1986, the first computer game to be certified by the BBFC was an illustrated text adventure called Dracula, based on the Bram Stoker novel, published by CRL, the game received a 15 certificate. The first computer game to receive an 18 certificate, on 11 December 1987, was another illustrated text adventure called Jack the Ripper, also by CRL, which dealt with the infamous real life murders in Victorian London. The horror in both games came through largely in their detailed prose. Had the game publishers reprinted the games' text in book form, it would not have carried a certificate, as the BBFC has no oversight over print media. Both games had numerous certificate stickers all over their covers to emphasise to parents and retailers that they were not intended for children, as computer games carrying BBFC certificates were previously unheard of.
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Juan F. Ramirez wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:09 am Was is something imposed by the industry (something like the current PEGI) or by the company itself?
CRL wanted them certified for the publicity.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015 ... video-game
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Who knows. One thing is for sure, coal power stations look pretty much the same everywhere :lol:
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One of works of the excellent artist Ralph McQuarrie, probably the best Star Wars illustrator, shows a far Mos Eisley:

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When I first saw next inlay I couldn't avoid thinking of the above picture:

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The unknown game artist probably was inspired by McQuarrie art when drew the far city on the plain.
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I suggested before that the cover of Movie looked like it was influenced by Casablanca. Actually it looks more like a direct copy of a different Bogart film, Dark Passage (which I misidentified in my previous post)

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Still of Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall in Dark Passage (1947)

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Here are the side-by-side details:

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The head of the detective has been completely redrawn, and there are some minor differences, which could be changes by Bob Wakelin or could mean the source image he used was a different frame from the same scene. But to me the resemblance seems quite good, especially of Lauren Bacall, so I think there is the good chance this (or something similar from Dark Passage) was the source image.
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Here is another Bacall image from Dark Passage, which is a slightly closer fit.

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Dark Passage is one of my all time favourite movies. :)

Direct copy, minor differences? I'm sorry, I just don't see it. I may not be the greatest artist but I feel I'm at least somewhat competent in seeing references and I can't find any similarities between the photo of Bogart and the detective, sans wearing similar clothes. The angle of the body is wrong, there are no matches in the folds of the fabric, the lapel is totally different, they don't even share the same lighting. Any old '40s reference photo may've been used, if any.
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Ersh wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:04 pm Dark Passage is one of my all time favourite movies. :)

Direct copy, minor differences? I'm sorry, I just don't see it. I may not be the greatest artist but I feel I'm at least somewhat competent in seeing references and I can't find any similarities between the photo of Bogart and the detective, sans wearing similar clothes. The angle of the body is wrong, there are no matches in the folds of the fabric, the lapel is totally different, they don't even share the same lighting. Any old '40s reference photo may've been used, if any.
I think we've been here before.

Once again I disagree.
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You're free to disagree. :) If you could at least elaborate on what's supposed to be a "direct-copy" here.

Here's the reference Wakelin used, it's from an old pulp mag cover. Not sure what the original artist used for reference (if any at all), couldn't find any matches amongst '40s publicity/film-still shots.

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Ersh wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:32 pm Here's the reference Wakelin used, it's from an old pulp mag cover.
Good find. That's obviously the source (or there's a common source).
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Jim Steranko is a very accomplished comic book author, though that doesn't rule out he used a reference of some sort. The use of reference material is common in all fields but there are some artists that do without.

If you're using a reference it's for angles, perspective, lighting and the sort. They should match, that's why artists use them. For an example, you don't look at a hand from one perspective and draw it in an another, if you were then there would be no point in having a reference.

Of course people also use references for how to draw the design of things (cars, clothes etc.). But spotting those sources are hard as any picture of said item could've been used.
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The Maltese Falcon is certainly the major influence, with Mary Astor inspiring the female character. I believe that the male character is pretty much a self-portrait.
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Yes, I can see that as an influence as well. :)
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8BitAG wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:53 pm The Maltese Falcon is certainly the major influence, with Mary Astor inspiring the female character. I believe that the male character is pretty much a self-portrait.
Certainly that's the opinion of Michael Gonzales:
"For a moment I just stared at him, as the man himself flashed me one of his trademark Kodak smiles. With his jet black perfect hair, G.Q. wardrobe, sunglasses and spit-shined boots, he was iceberg smooth. “How you doing over there,” Steranko said in his world’s greatest showman voice. I shyly glanced at him and back at the Chandler cover when I suddenly realized that the picture of that mean streets private dick was actually a self-portrait."
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As [mention]Audionautas[/mention] pointed out in the cover artists thread, the first Return to Eden cover looks like it was based on (or inspired by) an image of ROM the Spaceknight.

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