Game & watch style games?

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Game & watch style games?

Post by R-Tape » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:07 pm

MonkZy's recent game Go Race! made me wonder how many titles in the archive are "game & watch" inspired.

How to define? Graphics hidden under attributes? Simple minimal movement? Ported from original? It might be hard to define but I think you know when you see one.

So far I know of Go Race, Fireman, and remember FrankT did a Fireman as a beeper music demo.

Any more? Are there enough to warrant a ZXDB group? Is it worth it?!
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Post by Nomad » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:51 pm

My hunch is that you will find more in the magazine type in sections. It seems a good fit for what they needed.

With MonkZy being a sport and releasing the source to his GoRace game i figure others might adapt what he has done for the other titles. So it probably warrants is own category.

Like visually its such a distinct style of game. I figure everyone has a fav game & watch. One thing I never knew was just how hard these things were to preserve. Very little is really known about how many of the titles actually worked. It was thought for a long time they didn't use a cpu but when the mame guys took a few of these bad boys apart and ended up having to de-cap the ICs they found out they were in fact microprocessor based systems. This was only done in the last few years.

I can imagine that its a time/cost issue with the preservation/documentation of the rest of the titles. Plus you effectively destroy the game and watch you are preserving during the decamping so I can't imagine many collectors being too keen on submitting stuff to this process.

I had always assumed they worked like early arcade boxes and were all desecrate logic. Well you learn something new every day :lol:

http://forums.bannister.org//ubbthreads ... #Post97003

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Post by Ersh » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:47 pm

There's Kool Eggz based on the Russian Elektronika game 'Nu Pogodi' (a clone of Nintendo's Game & Watch 'Egg'). It's not a true 'LCD cell' implementation though as different graphics can occupy the same space.
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Post by Juan F. Ramirez » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:36 pm

I would define them as 'compulsive arcade' or non-stop, frenetic, simple action, not necessarily a port of the original games.

For example, this game:

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16139.

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Help people go through the bridges to avoid them to sink. From level 4, 5 on, bloody frenetic.
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Post by Ralf » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:08 pm

Would you include games inspired not directly by "Game & Watch" but rather by Soviet/Russian "Elektronika" handheld games which were itself inspired/copied from Game & Watch ?
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Post by Ersh » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:14 pm

Found another one Mole Hunter. I don't think it's based on any existing handheld LCD game (I could be wrong) but it certainly fits the genre.
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Post by R-Tape » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:18 pm

Ralf wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:08 pm
Would you include games inspired not directly by "Game & Watch" but rather by Soviet/Russian "Elektronika" handheld games which were itself inspired/copied from Game & Watch ?
For ZXDB, not sure, maybe it's too vague to be a group (note - not a genre, and it wouldn't be my call :) ).

Either way, I would be interested to see a list of G&W and Elektronika in this thread, it would help to decide.
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Post by Einar Saukas » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:40 pm

R-Tape wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:18 pm
Ralf wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:08 pm
Would you include games inspired not directly by "Game & Watch" but rather by Soviet/Russian "Elektronika" handheld games which were itself inspired/copied from Game & Watch ?
For ZXDB, not sure, maybe it's too vague to be a group (note - not a genre, and it wouldn't be my call :) ).
Too late, I had already created this group! It will be in the next ZXDB update.
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Post by Nomad » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:00 pm

R-Tape wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:18 pm
For ZXDB, not sure, maybe it's too vague to be a group (note - not a genre, and it wouldn't be my call :) ).

Either way, I would be interested to see a list of G&W and Elektronika in this thread, it would help to decide.
Figured you might want to look at another player in the lcd game market.



Tiger games.

With the lcd custom screens, its expensive to produce in low numbers because the factory that makes them needs to have custom tooling - it uses a kind of stencil to create the cells. But the process of manufacture after you are set up is very efficient. So if you can do a big production run the material cost of the screen becomes very low.

Once you get over production volumes of say 10,000 it is dirt cheap to buy these screens from a factory.
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Post by Ralf » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:39 pm

I was going to make some list of Game & Watch style games but it's soooo hard nowadays.

On WOS searching for games is broken and you can't browse your search results as screenshots.
On Spectrum Computing the search engine is still quite basic. You can't search for let's say games from Russia or in Russian language.

I'll give up for the moment but will be back ;)
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