Cover artists
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I get what you mean but shouldn't there be some consistency with how he's credited to games in the sense that his "proper" name is always first? Maybe I'm wrong but if I didn't know any better then when I skim through the list of games and artists it looks like Fantasy World Dizzy and Rock Star Ate My Hamster were done by two people with really similar names rather than them actually being the same person. To be honest, the Alistair name is really just a typo that's come up at some point. My nephew put Richerd on my Xmas card because his spelling is still at the phonetic stage but it doesn't mean it's an official variant of my name!
Actually, to clarify what I mean by "official", Alastair and Alistair are both proper names but I don't think anyone who was called one or the other would accept the other spelling as being the correct spelling of their name. As for my name, some people choose to spell Richard with an e but I certainly don't!
Actually, to clarify what I mean by "official", Alastair and Alistair are both proper names but I don't think anyone who was called one or the other would accept the other spelling as being the correct spelling of their name. As for my name, some people choose to spell Richard with an e but I certainly don't!
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Good point. Typos shouldn't be catalogued, only intentional nicknames.
I will fix it in the next ZXDB update!
I will fix it in the next ZXDB update!
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Back to the Future (Electric Dreams) - Drew Struzan
http://coolpopsart.com/post/16888539470 ... low-artist
The site talks about the film cover, but it's just the same as the game cover.
http://coolpopsart.com/post/16888539470 ... low-artist
The site talks about the film cover, but it's just the same as the game cover.
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Inside Outing (The Edge) - Stuart Hughes
Credited in its own instructions.
Credited in its own instructions.
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Phil Gascoine made some CRL artworks, as it's confirmed in the corresponding instructions:
Glug Glug
Handicap Golf
3D Desert Patrol
Lunar Rescue
Pandemonia
Stargazer Secrets
The next game's artworks were probably made by him, as they look similar to Gascoine's style (can't confirm as no mention of cover author in the instructions):
Caveman
Crawler
Endurance
Formula One
Grand National
Rescue
Woods of Winter
Zaraks
Glug Glug
Handicap Golf
3D Desert Patrol
Lunar Rescue
Pandemonia
Stargazer Secrets
The next game's artworks were probably made by him, as they look similar to Gascoine's style (can't confirm as no mention of cover author in the instructions):
Caveman
Crawler
Endurance
Formula One
Grand National
Rescue
Woods of Winter
Zaraks
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Did some similar research couple years ago about authors of original art, which was used as reference for loading screens (and not only):
https://zxart.ee/eng/graphics/tags/alfonso-azpiri/
https://zxart.ee/eng/graphics/tags/louis-royo/
they are also authors of cover art basically.
https://zxart.ee/eng/graphics/tags/alfonso-azpiri/
https://zxart.ee/eng/graphics/tags/louis-royo/
they are also authors of cover art basically.
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Both Roger Tyssiman and Roger Tissyman were mentioned in this thread.
May I assume they are the same person, and the correct spelling is Roger Tissyman?
May I assume they are the same person, and the correct spelling is Roger Tissyman?
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Yes, both are the same: Roger Tissyman is the correct name.
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Thank you! This will be fixed in the next ZXDB update.Juan F. Ramirez wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:27 pmYes, both are the same: Roger Tissyman is the correct name.
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Ed Dovey - Rebelstar Raiders (Red Shift, 1984).
According to the credits in the game instructions.
According to the credits in the game instructions.
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The Rebel Planet cover is by Alan Craddock (the same as the FF gamebook).
You list the Software Projects Manic Miner cover as by Roger Tissyman. The second Bug-Byte release (with Miner Willy in green dungarees) also looks like his style. (I'm not sure about the first Bug-Byte cover.)
You list the Software Projects Manic Miner cover as by Roger Tissyman. The second Bug-Byte release (with Miner Willy in green dungarees) also looks like his style. (I'm not sure about the first Bug-Byte cover.)
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Thanks for the info.
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Every cover artist authorship reported in this thread has been added to ZXDB. Thanks a lot to everyone here that helped to bring information about them!
The cover authors currently stored at ZXDB are listed at this link (it's the same page you get when you visit https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/ and click on "HELP!"). Look for a section called COVER ARTISTS at this page, then click on it to expand it if needed.
If you know any other author of a cover art/inlay for a specific game that is currently missing from this list, or notice any incorrect information there, please post about it here.
Moreover there's now a similar thread, except about load screen authors instead of covers, that can be found here. If anyone's willing to please help on it too, it would be extremely helpful! Thank you!!!
The cover authors currently stored at ZXDB are listed at this link (it's the same page you get when you visit https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/ and click on "HELP!"). Look for a section called COVER ARTISTS at this page, then click on it to expand it if needed.
If you know any other author of a cover art/inlay for a specific game that is currently missing from this list, or notice any incorrect information there, please post about it here.
Moreover there's now a similar thread, except about load screen authors instead of covers, that can be found here. If anyone's willing to please help on it too, it would be extremely helpful! Thank you!!!
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A few more cover artists for the rest of the Spectrum Fighting Fantasy games:
Seas of Blood - Rodney Matthews
Sword of the Samurai - Peter Andrew Jones
Temple of Terror - Christos Achilleos
The Citadel of Chaos - Emmanuel
The Forest of Doom - Iain McCaig
The Warlock of Firetop Mountain - Peter Andrew Jones
Seas of Blood - Rodney Matthews
Sword of the Samurai - Peter Andrew Jones
Temple of Terror - Christos Achilleos
The Citadel of Chaos - Emmanuel
The Forest of Doom - Iain McCaig
The Warlock of Firetop Mountain - Peter Andrew Jones
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BTW the SC page for Rebel Planet lists Alan Craddock as an author. He is not the author, but the cover artist. Is this an error in ZXDB or SC?
Other titles have the same problem.
Other titles have the same problem.
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This is not an error. He's the author of the cover art for this game. This is what the "AUTHOR" section of this page says!
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I am going to stick to my guns on this one. That is not what "author" means in English. "Author" only applies to written creations, including code (except in some metaphorical uses). An artist is not an author. The current presentation is wrong.Einar Saukas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:14 amThis is not an error. He's the author of the cover art for this game. This is what the "AUTHOR" section of this page says!
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According to the same logic, an artist that created a load screen but nothing else, without participating during game development, is not an author either. Are you proposing we remove their names from lists of authors?Rorthron wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:18 amI am going to stick to my guns on this one. That is not what "author" means in English. "Author" only applies to written creations, including code (except in some metaphorical uses). An artist is not an author. The current presentation is wrong.Einar Saukas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:14 am This is not an error. He's the author of the cover art for this game. This is what the "AUTHOR" section of this page says!
Moreover, if we assume that "an artist is not an author", then we should remove all names except programmers. Music composers and in-game graphic designers shouldn't be listed as authors either!
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No. Graphics designers and musicians contribute to the written code. Inlay designers do not. This is a matter of English: it is wrong to characterise an inlay artist as author of a game.Einar Saukas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:59 amAccording to the same logic, an artist that created a load screen but nothing else, without participating during game development, is not an author either. Are you proposing we remove their names from lists of authors? Moreover, if we assume that "an artist is not an author", then we should remove all names except programmers. Music composers and in-game graphic designers shouldn't be listed as authors either!
Either have a separate field/label/whatever for cover artist or omit them. The current arrangement is just wrong.
(Note: I edited this post, as I realised I had misread Einar's post.)
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I'm not sure we share the same understanding about "written code".
For the sake of argument, if it was a printed book, do you think the artist that created the illustrations appearing inside the book can be included in the list of authors? What about the artist that illustrated the book cover?
For the sake of argument, if it was a printed book, do you think the artist that created the illustrations appearing inside the book can be included in the list of authors? What about the artist that illustrated the book cover?
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From an English language perspective, no they wouldn't count as authors. A better word would perhaps be contributors.
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Perhaps not, but that's not relevant. We are discussing the meaning and usage of the English word "author".Einar Saukas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:53 pm I'm not sure we share the same understanding about "written code".
These questions perfectly illustrate your misunderstanding. The answer to both your questions is "no". An illustrator cannot be an author. They are entirely separate. In English usage "author" (writer) andEinar Saukas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:53 pm For the sake of argument, if it was a printed book, do you think the artist that created the illustrations appearing inside the book can be included in the list of authors? What about the artist that illustrated the book cover?
"illustrator" (graphic artist) have different meanings. To be author of a book, one has to have written the text. If, for example, someone wrote and illustrated a book, they would be described as author and illustrator, not just author.
To use "author" in the way you are is not standard English usage. You will see from dictionary definitions that "author" relates to written output (except when used metaphorically). An artist cannot be an author.
If you want to take the examples of people contributing graphics or sound to code, then a case can be made that they are authors, because the ultimate output is written code. Otherwise these also need to be excluded from the list of authors.
Perhaps "autor" is used differently in Portuguese, but in standard English "author" is not used in the way you describe.
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It would be better still, in my opinion, to separate authors and inlay artists. "Contributors" is very vague. An author would not normally be considered a contributor. An author is more than a contributor. A contributor's role is usually quite small.
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If your definition of author is based on "written code", then the meaning of "written code" is very relevant for this discussion.Rorthron wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:07 pmPerhaps not, but that's not relevant. We are discussing the meaning and usage of the English word "author".Einar Saukas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:53 pmI'm not sure we share the same understanding about "written code".
Again, your argument implies everybody should be excluded from the list of authors except programmers.Rorthron wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:07 pmThese questions perfectly illustrate your misunderstanding. The answer to both your questions is "no". An illustrator cannot be an author. They are entirely separate. In English usage "author" (writer) andEinar Saukas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:53 pmFor the sake of argument, if it was a printed book, do you think the artist that created the illustrations appearing inside the book can be included in the list of authors? What about the artist that illustrated the book cover?
"illustrator" (graphic artist) have different meanings. To be author of a book, one has to have written the text. If, for example, someone wrote and illustrated a book, they would be described as author and illustrator, not just author.
I can assure you, Einar, that to use "author" in the way you are is not standard English usage. You will see from dictionary definitions that "author" relates to written output (except when used metaphorically). An artist cannot be an author.
A case can also be made that, if the book illustrator designed all drawings using a computer, then the ultimate output is also written code as part of the resulting PDF.
What's the difference?
I don't think this discussion is related to idiom at all.
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If you mean a load screen artist is an author but a cover artist is not, what if the load screen was based on the cover? What if the load screen was taken from a scanned cover, with minor changes? Where do you draw the line?