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Bizzley wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:41 pm It's all immaterial anyway, shortly we'll know for certain about everything. Because sometime in the next 10 weeks time a completed, boxed, no problems fully manualled Next along with with a spanking new firmware and all those stretch goal games will be coming through my door as promised.

Won't it? :?
Maybe...I don't see it shipping by end of 2nd quarter as they said...it's about 5 weeks on the boat/customs etc. Even if it shipped tomorrow that would only leave 4 weeks for getting everything else together, assembly, testing and so on, and that assumes SMS even have a window open to do it all, I'm sure they are not sitting around doing nothing till the NEXTs cases show up.

I still can't believe they haven't even go the manuals printed yet...I'll laugh if the nexts are ready but the damn manual isn't.
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It's less than 2 weeks now for the Manchester Play Expo and there will be a sizeable Spectrum Next presence there from the team (I think) and games being released on it. I'm not sure about hardware, but I expect some of that to be showcased, too. Now, I'm not part of them but will be there in an unofficial (I suppose!) capacity due to upcoming release of Melkhior's Mansion on the Next.
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I'm still happy enough to wait, but that's easy for me to say because I don't have the time or ideas at the moment to know what to do with my Next when it does arrive.

But really, the Next has to be fully delivered this year...
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beanz wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:06 pm I still can't believe they haven't even go the manuals printed yet...I'll laugh if the nexts are ready but the damn manual isn't.
The lead time is very short on the manuals. They won't be printed until just before they are needed to avoid having to pay storage costs.
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Alcoholics Anonymous wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:39 pm The lead time is very short on the manuals. They won't be printed until just before they are needed to avoid having to pay storage costs.
I've got a spare bedroom, and my attic is only half full, so if they need somewhere to store a few boxes of manuals until they're needed then I reckon I could do it for them for a fiver. Or a pint down the pub.
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Bizzley wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:56 pm I've got a spare bedroom, and my attic is only half full, so if they need somewhere to store a few boxes of manuals until they're needed then I reckon I could do it for them for a fiver. Or a pint down the pub.
Most people's homes can't support 3500 lbs or so of material unless it's on a floor directly on the ground. If you're willing to pay for insurance (there won't be money to do it again) and then deliver on the day, all is good :)

There is plenty of opportunity to pay for extra unforeseen expenses but you can never get frivolous expenses back to cover those.
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Alcoholics Anonymous wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:39 pm
beanz wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:06 pm I still can't believe they haven't even go the manuals printed yet...I'll laugh if the nexts are ready but the damn manual isn't.
The lead time is very short on the manuals. They won't be printed until just before they are needed to avoid having to pay storage costs.
I can vouch for this. I work in publishing and can confirm that the manuals (even big, chunky, spiral bound ones) can be printed, bound and shipped to SMS or wherever for packing in just a couple of days. It's the one thing about the Next that doesn't worry me. The hardware manufacture, whipping from China and final assembly - that is the bit that I'm more nervous about given how far behind schedule they are on this. Having backed for a fully-specced unit, in hindsight I wish I had gone for a dev board and then put it in a rubber keys case.
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chrisgreen wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:03 pm
Alcoholics Anonymous wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:39 pm The lead time is very short on the manuals. They won't be printed until just before they are needed to avoid having to pay storage costs.
I can vouch for this. I work in publishing and can confirm that the manuals (even big, chunky, spiral bound ones) can be printed, bound and shipped to SMS or wherever for packing in just a couple of days. It's the one thing about the Next that doesn't worry me. The hardware manufacture, whipping from China and final assembly - that is the bit that I'm more nervous about given how far behind schedule they are on this. Having backed for a fully-specced unit, in hindsight I wish I had gone for a dev board and then put it in a rubber keys case.
That's good to know.

Yeah I got a dev board, I knew they were never going to make the schedule they suggested (working for an OEM and knowing how long poop takes).
Even with the DEV board though I'll be happy when the NEXT ships as that's when the scene should start to take off more I would imagine..when there are 4000 of them out there instead of 400.
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Does anyone know, what was the Spectrum Next presentation at the Play Expo Manchester?
Was it shown a fully completed computer with case or not?
Cant find anything on Next forum ...
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Pegaz wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 3:57 pm Does anyone know, what was the Spectrum Next presentation at the Play Expo Manchester?
Was it shown a fully completed computer with case or not?
Cant find anything on Next forum ...

It doesn't get much better than this vid with Baggley looking like a proud father:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/e2mR_OPwv0k
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Have a look on their FB page. Seems there was a proper cased Next running Baggers in Space, then a few others in a multitude of coloured rubber key cases. Melkhiors Mansion looks good! A chap called Matthew Smith was playing some weird Mining game on the Next too!
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I was reading this a little earlier!

https://www.specnext.com/play-expo-manchester/

Who's that playing Manic Miner on the Next prototype?!? :)
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Looks great, both case and box!
Obviously, all problems have been resolved, now is the delivery time. :)
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Pegaz wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 4:35 pm Looks great, both case and box!
Obviously, all problems have been resolved, now is the delivery time. :)
From the Specnet website expo page - "our wonderful backers who got to see a prototype cased Next for the first time"

I'll be putting the flags out when they show a production cased Next rather than one of the many prototypes they've been showing off these past months. I could be a Negative Norman and say that I disagree with you about the problems being solved but since there's been no official news to the backers about the Next since March then I can't say if you're wrong or right.

BTW Does anyone know what were they saying at Expo as to the expected delivery date for the Next?
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Loads of posts and videos from the weekend on the Next Facebook group (No FB account required).

After having a go on it, I'm mightily impressed, and can't wait to receive mine.
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Great, thanks.
According to this video, it seems that keyboard is pretty good and robust. :)

https://www.facebook.com/dailly/videos/ ... 750229900/
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Description for the above video: [link]

"Please be note this isn’t “fixed” in place yet, so it’s a bit wobbly at the edges, but it’s absolutely solid in the middle - utterly lovely."

In the comments, the wobbling is due to "...keyboard has the wrong sized screw holes, that’s fixed now"
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I read somewhere else that the designer of the hardware ignored the concerns of people who pointed out a few flaws and recommended addressing them. Does anyone know if they were addressed? I don't know anything about hardware, so I don't understand the details. But it was something about the danger of having the FPGA directly connected to something, and bad implementation of HDMI.
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Jim Bagley made it really clear on the Facebook group that the Next on show at Play Expo was the only working prototype they had (which was rejected)

I totally understand the issues of working as a remote team, but here are a couple of interesting Facebook posts from Jim Bagley and Mike Cadwallader, who are both on the Next team.
Mike Cadwallader People are fed up of asking for updates and people are also fed up of people asking for updates I get that. Some are content with whatever the situation may be. Asking in here is asking the wrong person. Bear in mind that Henrique runs the Kickstarter and that he is not actually on here to see any such requests.
Over the past 18 months or so I have been channeling the sentiment and requests from this group and building up points and topics for the KS updates. This I then throw over to Henrique and then I pester him to get time away from his day job to author a new update.
This was fine for a time but my motivation on this front has been severely lacking of late. Call it weariness on my part. This is also partly due to the lack of appreciable change on many aspects of the Next front.
Henrique knows that backers need updates and nothing would please him more to have an arsenal of information to disseminate. If there is no news then there really is no news. If things plod on for a significant amount of time with no knowledge sharing then perhaps we need to share some information on any current issues. Issues always look better in a KS update when we have a happy ending, not a cliff hanger. This has been mentioned in the past that updates are often not made when we're in an indeterminate state.
So yes it has been very quiet, the wheels of progress are more the vehicle that used to move the Space Shuttle into place than something that turns visibility to the eye.
Jim Bagley The infornation is the same as the last lot just because it's been a couple of weeks things sadly ( yes I mean for us moreso than you lot as we want to get our Nexts too just as much as the rest of you and the sooner we get them to you the sooner we won't hear where is our Next. ) but the thing is these things take time and we don't have an informative other than we're waiting on them making a fixed membrane, and for those lucky enough to be going to Play Expo this weekend I will be bringing the prototype case and membrane and keyboard that were rejected by us and I will happily explain and show the reasons they were rejected which is why we are still all waiting for our Nexts to arrive. And if you're really good boys and girls I may let you play a game on it, to see what you think of the keyboard. So yeah the update is we don't have any new info over the previous update other then my awesome band of brothers called the Next Men will be heading to Play Expo Manchester for the weekend to let people who haven't got one yet play on our board only versions in various cases and some without cases. Because we're either good guys or stupid when we could be relaxing at home playing and making games, or just spending time with our families
It sounds like the both of them have no actual idea how the Next is progressing, they're as much in the dark as everyone else as to when it's going to be finished.

While it's nice that there is a sort of update hidden away in the Facebook group, it doesn't look great that two of the team don't have any more information when we're now 6 weeks before the Next is supposed to be in the hands of the backers (the deadline issued a few months ago was Q2 2019). When one of the team, Mike Cadwallader, is saying he's lost motivation due to the lack of "appreciable change on many aspects of the Next front", then that's even more worrying.
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Hehe, probably the first time #MatthewSmith was trending on twitter and it wasn't about Doctor Who!

Whatever happens (and this may not be soon enough for some), the Next really, really, really has to be finished and on people's desks this year.
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It's not finished? I've seen one in action in the flesh via someone who backed it???

EDIT: Oh, is it the full one with the keyboard that's not ready? The one I saw was just the motherboard.
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Some of the comments made by Jim Bagley and Mike Cadwallader in the repost by @toot_toot certainly do seem a little worrying. With the Next having officially been promised for delivery before end Q2 2019 (June 30th) you would expect everyone on board with the project to at least stand by that date, be it eventually right or wrong. Bagley and Cadwallader's repeated remarks that they are as lost about this as the rest of us means that they may not be as closely involved with the initimacies of the project as backers think they are. It also seems from what they're saying that behind the scenes it's pretty much a one-man-band operation with Henrique Olifiers calling all the shots.

Mike Cadwallader's admission that KS Updates look better when there's a "happy ending" may hold true while everything is on schedule but when there's no definite indication that one and a half years past the due delivery date the boxed Next it may still not appear then I think backers deserve more than that. Apart from April's eulogy to Rick Dickinson that's all we've heard from Olifiers since March.
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It is indeed worrying, and with the increasing aggression towards anyone who asks a question it's looking very bad indeed.

Hopefully the worries will come.to nothing but when he whose back catalogue turns heads but whose ego bends light deploys himself to attack perceived critics it only makes it worse.

Here's hoping for a.happy ending.
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I tried it out at the expo and was very impressed. I didn’t back it but wish I had. I will if they do a second run.

Jim B seemed to be a very nice bloke too.
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