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Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:37 pm
by Seven.FFF
Certificate expired, and Henrique is travelling away at E3. Will be renewed as soon as he can manage it.

Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:38 pm
by R-Tape
Pegaz wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:26 pm
I cant access spectrum next forum, at the moment.
Always gives me some certificate error??
I took a risk and went through the cert warning to the site; it's still there and people are posting.
Another month passed...
Hmmm....we are going to get the finished product this year...aren't we?

Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:19 pm
by emook

I took a risk and went through the cert warning to the site; it's still there and people are posting.
Another month passed...
Hmmm....we are going to get the finished product this year...aren't we?
Who the f**k knows? :lol:

No seriously, we are ALL waiting the news on the flipping keyboard and its a shame that its taken so long to get right as everything is ready to go.

Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:25 pm
by Bizzley
According to their Twitter feed:

"Still waiting on news on the keyboard. There are a few different threads happening in parallel. Changes to the hammer size, domes, contact design which requires new tooling. Hoping to have results soon!"

Backers were told a month ago that minor changes were being made to the contact patterns on the membrane to fix the multi-keypress problem, the results of which would be known in a week's time. However it appears from the tweet that things are a lot more serious than that.

Comments on the Kickstarter page are becoming more negative than positive fuelled mainly by the lack of information and updates. What details are available are being fed to backers from other sources such as the Twitter feed. The failure to renew the Certificate for their main website is just another example of the apathy and lack of concern for this project.

Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 pm
by emook
The failure to renew the Certificate for their main website is just another example of the apathy and lack of concern for this project.
Is one negative way you could look at it, the other way is that the new cert had been renewed but incorrectly applied and the person who can remedy that has been out of the country.

I really don't understand what people expect to happen by moaning continuously, its late and that's it - nothing anyone can do about it, would you prefer a product with either no keyboard or one that doesn't work? I know what I would like as a backer, a working keyboard.

The scale of this project is so small that you just cant demand a team of experts at any company to devote hundreds of hours of engineering time on this. But surely everyone will already know that as they all seem to be experts.

Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:55 pm
by R-Tape
I don't think there's a lack of concern for the project, my guess is that we have a bunch of good guys getting increasingly stressed out thinking "OH GOD WE WANT TO DELIVER THIS BUT THE REALITY IS A NIGHTMARE!". I'm surprised that something as fundamental as a keyboard is hard to do these days, but it looks like the Next team are too. Even still, it's a welcome change from that 'other project' that was an obvious swindle.

If we're still wondering what the crack is in 2020 though, well, I was going to say that I would assume my £200 is gone, but the board is done—we're guaranteed something aren't we?

Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:56 pm
by R-Tape
emook wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 pm
But surely everyone will already know that as they all seem to be experts.
I think you'll find this country is tired of experts... :mrgreen:

Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:11 pm
by Bizzley
emook wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 pm
I really don't understand what people expect to happen by moaning continuously, its late and that's it - nothing anyone can do about it, would you prefer a product with either no keyboard or one that doesn't work? I know what I would like as a backer, a working keyboard.
Right now I'd be happy with just the board, at least I'd be able to plug an old PS2 keyboard into it. You know, one of those keyboards that actually works. That and a PSU in whatever colour cardboard case they've decided on. Ship them out to all the backers with the locked off firmware and printed manual if possible, URL to download it and a PDF file if not. Then send the bulky box and packaging and super-duper case out when they're ready and we can just pop the board into it when it arrives. All pressure lifted. :)

If it's moaning to ask where the regular backer updates have got to (every two weeks wasn't it?) or if it's moaning to wonder where the definite "before end Q2 delivery" date stands then sign me up! If you want to see some real moaning then have a read of the comment posted by JoeZx a few days ago on the Kickstarter page. Now THAT'S moaning!

Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:18 pm
by emook
but the board is done—we're guaranteed something aren't we?
The board is bought and paid for yes- also boxes, psu, manuals, SD cards, Pis etc But I am sure everyone would prefer it in the case and with the keyboard as promised.
my guess is that we have a bunch of good guys getting increasingly stressed out thinking "OH GOD WE WANT TO DELIVER THIS BUT THE REALITY IS A NIGHTMARE!"
This is more accurate than you can believe and everyone involved is doing their part for FREE, no one on the team is being paid to write software, games, perfect the and update the core, write the OS, man the FB page, host the dev sites, give out updates, etc - so yes its a bit tiring having to defend the project when you're doing it for the love of the machine / scene. If there was another bash at this maybe some decisions would have been mad and things taken a different course.

We have over 3000 people who have backed the project but only a small proportion of those are the ones who bring negativity to the table, in fact I should start making a list :D <that was a joke> Seriously though, we know its late and incredibly frustrating for everyone.

The cert issue has been fixed now as well. So we can turn the apathy bulb back to green.

Re: ZX Spectrum Next Discussion

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:23 pm
by emook
Bizzley wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:11 pm

Right now I'd be happy with just the board....
The board only option has been delivered a long time ago, over 300 of them went out - it was said at the time if you dont want to wait for full kits back the board only - I'm sorry you didnt take that option, I did try and wrangle you a board at the time after I found out you were interested but not everything always works out.
JoeZx
Oh JoeZx the MD? I have a permanent JoeZX filter these days. :D