World of Spectrum....

Y'know, other stuff, Sinclair related.
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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by 1024MAK » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:58 am

Pegaz wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:25 am
btw, I already told you that RMartins was recently banned (without proper explanation) and I almost cant believe you didnt notice it.
Maybe it should have been banned, but we dont know that, and we probably will not find out.
And why Vega+ should it be banned anyway?
5000 fans have invested their money in this project and I dont see why it's inappropriate to talk about it on the Spectrum related website.
Do you have any logical explanation, from independent point of view?
I did not realise that RMartins was recently banned. Sorry if you mentioned it in an earlier post, I must have missed that bit.

I can understand why Vega+ is banned. I don't agree with discussion being banned. However, if I was the owner/operator, admin or moderator of a Spectrum forum, a thread discussing the Vega+ would be subject to close moderation, simply because threads about it often end up going bad. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people who paid money coming on and talking about how unhappy they are with the situation. But it's all the other mud slinging that goes on that I don't like.

Yes, and I'm one of the people who now has less money in my pocket, but no Vega+ to show for it. It is a deeply disappointing state of affairs. And the occasional dangled "updates" are rather depressing (at least, for me).

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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by Nomad » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:57 pm

WOS was one of the first websites I found on the internet back in the 90s, come to think of it its the only one from the dialup days that I think is still in existence. Like most of you guys and girls the Spectrum was a huge part of my childhood, so finding such a active community in the early days that was bringing together so much information on the machine that fascinated me was a big plus. I can remember all my friends at college being green with envy when i walked in with a set of the WOS CD-Roms one day. I think that single event destroyed the grades of most of the computer science class that year. But it was worth it. To have thousands of games, utilities all in one place. When I remember how many years I had lusted after just a few titles and now there were all there waiting to be used. It was great.

But the biggest asset was the forums, being able to research a topic and get the insight and experience of guys who in some cases are no longer alive or active in the community. Being able to find out answers to questions that were often times either never covered or poorly explained in the magazines or the books. It was a godsend. I think that is one of the biggest dangers is loosing all of that data. Not saying there are not competent coders still around but its much easier to search a forum for answers than bothering the same guys again and again with questions that have been answered elsewhere.

After that, the books and magazines were a way i wasted hours looking through. To be able to read books and magazines I didn't have the pocket money for as a kid was great. But with archive.org having a fairly comprehensive collection now its not such a bit worry as say the forum data from WOS.

I just hope the preservation scans, all the maps and other content that so many people devoted so much time to can be preserved and put to good use in some way in the future.

I guess even though I was not an active member of the site, there are many fun memories associated with stuff that I was able to do because it existed. Still I am optimistic about the future of spectrum coding, I see lots of interesting projects and if youtube is anything to go by there still seems to be a lot of interest in retro computing.

I mean things could be worse - look at what happened to the BBC Micro archive websites... (shudders).
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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by Einar Saukas » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:41 pm

We all share the same concerns about WoS decline and all the valuable information it contains. That's exactly what we are all working to prevent!

Right now, there's a copy of all files from the original WoS archive preserved at Archive.org. The entire content of Martijn's Infoseek database is stored inside ZXDB, with corrections and improvements. Both SpectrumComputing and ZXInfo provide basically the same information you can find at the original WoS archive, except SpectrumComputing currently adopts a more strict policy to only distribute permitted files. Even so, it recently got green light to redistribute all games from Hewson, Zenobi and a few others, more will certainly follow. And SpectrumComputing already achieved the same "spirit" of the old WoS forum from its best days.

The only part we still risk loosing, if WoS goes down, is all the forum history. Although WoS forum searches are still broken, thus in practice most of its content is already inaccessible anyway... Also there's a good chance Martijn kept a backup when he left, so if the forum disappears, we could simply contact him and ask for his approval to restore a read-only copy somewhere.
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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by fogartylee » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:11 pm

Correction. The entire WoS archive isn't available anywhere else. It's currently around 250gb, with 1tb still to process - around 1/4 of that will be used.

I'd be grateful if you'd stop fueling rumours that WoS is going anywhere thank you.

As for the forums - the search works as well as it can with 1m comments and the size of the database makes it very difficult to host anywhere but a dedicated service. It uses Sphinx as the search service which is about as good as it gets. Without Sphinx it takes 30-60 seconds to do a full search of the forums - with it, it takes less than a second.

You'd also need to check the legality of taking someone elses forum to host wherever you feel like it. A lot of people have posted on WoS over the years not expecting comments to be hosted elsewhere.
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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by Einar Saukas » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:59 pm

Hi Lee! I wasn't sure if you were reading this forum! :)

fogartylee wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:11 pm
Correction. The entire WoS archive isn't available anywhere else. It's currently around 250gb
... that's mirrored at Archive.org.

fogartylee wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:11 pm
with 1tb still to process - around 1/4 of that will be used.
Those 1Tb of unprocessed files, that were not added to WoS archive yet, are not part of the WoS archive mirror. Obviously.

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Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:11 pm
I'd be grateful if you'd stop fueling rumours that WoS is going anywhere thank you.
I'm not fueling any rumors. I never said WoS will go somewhere, instead I explicitly wrote "if WoS goes down" and "if the forum disappears". Therefore I was discussing a possibility. This possibility would happen, for instance, in case you decided to leave WoS without a plan to replace you. And this has already happened once.

fogartylee wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:11 pm
As for the forums - the search works as well as it can with 1m comments and the size of the database makes it very difficult to host anywhere but a dedicated service. It uses Sphinx as the search service which is about as good as it gets. Without Sphinx it takes 30-60 seconds to do a full search of the forums - with it, it takes less than a second.
I wasn't debating the reasons why WoS forum search is broken. I just mentioned that it is. I didn't even mention that Martijn's WoS forum (before it was migrated) already had a similar large volume and searches worked just fine.

fogartylee wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:11 pm
You'd also need to check the legality of taking someone elses forum to host wherever you feel like it. A lot of people have posted on WoS over the years not expecting comments to be hosted elsewhere.
Yet another reason to contact Martijn about it and ask for his approval, as I suggested. And that's only as last resort, "if the forum disappears" as I wrote!
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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by fogartylee » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:09 pm

Not sure how often to keep repeating. Archive.org DOES NOT HAVE THE FULL ARCHIVE. Not even close to full. The archive is a lot more than was publicly available - we are addressing that along with the new data.
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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by Einar Saukas » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:32 pm

fogartylee wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:09 pm
Not sure how often to keep repeating. Archive.org DOES NOT HAVE THE FULL ARCHIVE. Not even close to full. The archive is a lot more than was publicly available - we are addressing that along with the new data.
Semantics. You consider 1Tb of unprocessed files as "hidden part of WoS archive". I consider it as "not added to WoS archive yet". It's the same thing, under different names.
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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by fogartylee » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:43 pm

I wasn't talking about the extra 1tb. I was talking about the existing archive.
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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by Einar Saukas » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:50 pm

fogartylee wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:43 pm
I wasn't talking about the extra 1tb. I was talking about the existing archive.
Interesting. Do you have any examples?
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Re: World of Spectrum....

Post by fogartylee » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:56 pm

There's videos, loads of additional files for publishers, people, etc., the denied titles, books, denied magazines, hi-res inlays & numerous other documents.
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