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Re: Moderator Action

Post by R-Tape » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:40 pm

I have to admit the idea of trying to moderate a pure Off Topic forum, especially after this week, brings me out in cold sweats.

Changing it is something we've been discussing, now it's been raised it'd be interesting to hear what people would prefer.

Binning it entirely could result in lots of non Speccy things in Miscellaneous (and unpopular decisions when they are removed for being out of place), that's why Chitchat was created on WoS. So it seems some kind of repository for 'not quite Speccy' is needed.

Looking at Off Topic now, the good news is that almost all of it can be kept. Things like "Merry Christmas" can be move to Website, and all but a couple can be kept as retro something or other.

One suggestion was Retrocomputing. I liked that but it does exclude a lot of general computing and modern gaming that fits well here. Can anyone think of a way to include that?

Einar's suggestion of "Other Retro stuff" allowed even more scope.

Still no modern computers or gaming though. Is there a way of fitting that in too? Do we want that in?

Any more thoughts on this? How "not quite Speccy" do we want to get?
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Re: Moderator Action

Post by Spud » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:04 pm

Einar's suggestion of "Other Retro stuff" allowed even more scope.
Maybe this but it is hard to say for sure. I don’t look at individual forums per se, I just look at the thing at the top and cycle through the recently updated threads and read or reply to stuff that takes my interest there.

I wouldn’t be able to post about the new guitar i bought recently if we only allowed retro stuff but then there isn’t much chance i’d create a thread about it if it was as allowed anyway! It seems a shame to remove or change a section that may be beloved by some members.

To summarise: no idea.
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Re: Moderator Action

Post by Einar Saukas » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:29 pm

Perhaps "Other Retro or Computer-related Topics"? What do people think?

Whatever we choose, let's make sure the scope is clear and easily understood, otherwise this change won't solve anything.
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Re: Moderator Action

Post by Rorthron » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:48 am

Einar Saukas wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:44 pm
A better analogy is, you placed a soapbox in your backyard and invite all neighbours to freely speak their minds about any off-topic subject, and long as they didn't offend each other. Then one of your invite neighbours steps into the soapbox to present an inflamed political speech and you think "Ops, that's not what I expected". Should you throw him out, or allow it but change the rules to prevent it from happening again? I think that's basically the issue here.
This is not correct. A more accurate analogy would be:

You host a ZX Spectrum party in your back yard and invited all your neighbours on the conditions that they behave nicely and discuss only subjects you consider appropriate. (Read the forum rules.) Then one of your invited neighbours starts screaming and calling people Nazis. You politely ask your guest three times not to speak about this, but your guest becomes abusive, refuses to comply with your requests, insists he should be allowed to shout about high-school shootings, refugees, "real" Nazis, etc and starts screaming again. So you decide to throw the person out at least until they calm down.

That's quite a different situation.

(Incidentally, I specifically considered the soap box analogy in reaching the decision I took.)

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Re: Moderator Action

Post by Rorthron » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:10 am

I would like to make one other point.

Several people in this thread have voiced strong opinions about circumstances where they actually have no knowledge. For example:

- Some have defended the content of the deleted posts, when they haven't even seen those posts.
- The mods have been accused of being heavy handed by people who have presumably never seen any of the communications with C.Born.
- Actions have been described as knee-jerk by people who have never seen the communication among the mods that considered the issue at great length.
- People have criticised the imposition of a permanent ban, even though the moderator team never said the ban was permanent. No decision had been reached on the length of the ban at that time.
- ‎People have accused me of being on a power trip, when quite obviously they cannot possibly read my mind and know my intentions.

There are many more examples, but I think these are enough to make the point.

I think it would help the moderators do their job and make the forum a better place if in future people are more circumspect. It's not just the mods who need to learn from this episode. Before any of you start describing events as "screw-ups" or suchlike, please make sure you pay as much attention to the information that you don't know as that which you do.

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Re: Moderator Action

Post by Hikaru » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:16 am

Some have defended the content of the deleted posts, when they haven't even seen those posts.
Remember kids, make sure to always read a deleted post before you attempt to defend it.
No decision had been reached on the length of the ban at that time.
That makes it a ban of indefinite length.
Before any of you start describing events as "screw-ups" or suchlike, please make sure you pay as much attention to the information that you don't know as that which you do.
For convenience's sake, I will try to present the important bits of information that we know about this screw-up below during the next 2 hours.

1. A regular and known member was banned indefinitely for stating that 'Someone somewhere is a Nazi'.
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Re: Moderator Action

Post by Rorthron » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:36 am

Hikaru wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:16 am
Make sure to always read a deleted post before you attempt to defend it.
Yes! If you haven't read the post, you have a very limited view of what it is about.
Hikaru wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:16 am
That makes it a ban of indefinite length.
Yes, not a permanent one. The mods were discussing different possible ban lengths.
Hikaru wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:16 am
For convenience's sake, I will try to present the important bits of information that we know about this screw-up below during the next 2 hours.

1. A regular and known member was banned indefinitely for stating that 'Someone somewhere is a Nazi'.
No. Please see the explanation I have already supplied.

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Re: Moderator Action

Post by hikoki » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:50 am

hikoki wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:13 pm
This thread will be locked for a two weeks cooling-off period.

We are also proud to announce that Rorthron will be the artist and level designer of a new game coded by C. Born.
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Re: Moderator Action

Post by Rorthron » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:54 am

Hikoki and Hikaru. This is going to get confusing... :)
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Re: Moderator Action

Post by R-Tape » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:03 pm

Einar Saukas wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:29 pm
Perhaps "Other Retro or Computer-related Topics"? What do people think?

Whatever we choose, let's make sure the scope is clear and easily understood, otherwise this change won't solve anything.
We'll need to have a chat and decide what we're most comfortable with, but it'd be interesting to hear more views on this.
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