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Re: Site Updates

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:35 pm
by pavero
[Addictive + Matra inlays]
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FootballManager-WorldCupEdition_Back.jpg (Cassette inlay - Back)
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FootballManager.jpg (Cassette inlay)
FootballManager2.jpg (Cassette inlay)
FootballManager2ExpansionKit.jpg (Cassette inlay)
FootballManager2ExpansionKit_Back.jpg (Cassette inlay - Back)
FootballManager2ExpansionKit_Front.jpg (Cassette inlay - Front)
FootballManager2FM2ExpansionKit_Back.jpg (Cassette inlay - Back)
FootballManager2FM2ExpansionKit_Front.jpg (Cassette inlay - Front)
FootballManager2_2.jpg (Cassette inlay)
FootballManager3_Back.jpg (Cassette inlay - Back)
FootballManager3_Front.jpg (Cassette inlay - Front)
FootballManager_2.jpg (Cassette inlay)
FootballManager_3.jpg (Cassette inlay)
FootballManager_4.jpg (Cassette inlay)
GeneracióDigital(MatraComputerAutomations).jpg (Cassette inlay)
Headcoach.jpg (Cassette inlay)
Hotshot.jpg (Cassette inlay)
Hotshot_2.jpg (Cassette inlay)
Kirel.jpg (Cassette inlay)
ManicPietro(MatraComputerAutomations).jpg (Cassette inlay)
Metaplex.jpg (Cassette inlay)
MiniExplorerXXXI(MatraComputerAutomations).jpg (Cassette inlay)
MisifulaGatita(MatraComputerAutomations).jpg (Cassette inlay)
President.jpg (Cassette inlay)
SoccerMania_Back.jpg (Cassette inlay - Back)
SoccerMania_Front.jpg (Cassette inlay - Front)
SoftwareStar.jpg (Cassette inlay)
TIKITACA(MatraComputerAutomations).jpg (Cassette inlay)

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Re: Site Updates

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:44 pm
by R-Tape
pavero wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:25 pm
@R-Tape : And what about Bruce Lee RX? Is it still ignored. ;-)
It's a graphics crack isn't it? Do you think it should have its own ID? Ralf's Renegade MODs never did.

Re: Site Updates

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:46 pm
by R-Tape
And an additional thing I forgot to mention: Matt Jackson gave permission for Astroblaster, so the file is there now.

Re: Site Updates

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:03 pm
by Ralf
@R-Tape : And what about Bruce Lee RX? Is it still ignored. ;-)

It's a graphics crack isn't it? Do you think it should have its own ID? Ralf's Renegade MODs never did.
So a mod which changes level design (think of all these crappy Jet Set Willy mods) is worth uploading but a mod which replaces the graphics isn't? ;)
In such case we shouldn't have stuff like this Barbarian mod here:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26556

I suppose it's hard to make a rule working in 100% of cases here. It's about making decisions in particular cases.

Speaking of my mods, I'm always ready to upload them here :)
I believe we had some discussion about it in the past but we decided nothing then.

Re: Site Updates

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:20 pm
by Rorthron
Ralf wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:03 pm
So a mod which changes level design (think of all these crappy Jet Set Willy mods) is worth uploading but a mod which replaces the graphics isn't? ;)
Unless the graphics mod is by Harry S Price. ;)

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the classifications in ZXDB (or WoS.). I can see there will always be an element of judgement and subjectivity, but there should be some guidelines to avoid the worst of the current inconsistencies.

Re: Site Updates

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:52 pm
by PeterJ
Just to throw in my thoughts, and I don't know if this is possible, but I would not create new entries for any mods (sorry). Instead I think they should be listed under the main game entry.

Obviously, part of ZXDB was copied from WoS so mods like the one @Ralf highlighted will appear.

I agree with @Rorthron that some guidelines need to be produced, although do remember that unless we change the data imported from WoS, there will always be inconsistencies.

Re: Site Updates

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:59 pm
by R-Tape
I didn't mean to say that it shouldn't have an ID. I was originally going to add it, but didn't when I realised we hadn't got around to sorting Ralf's yet (which I think are more deserving as gameplay changes were made), and there were plenty of other things to do.

These are the rules I've been trying working to for cracks:

-Graphics + gameplay changes + 'a work of note' (including infamy) = should have an ID (e.g. Ralf's MODs, and Harry S)
-Graphics only + a work of note = should have an ID (e.g. Bruce Lee RX)
-Graphics only, a very throwaway effort = should not have an ID.
-Did it somehow bypass these rules? Leave it alone and move on :?

Agree? Disagree?
Rorthron wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:20 pm
I can see there will always be an element of judgement and subjectivity, but there should be some guidelines to avoid the worst of the current inconsistencies.
I suppose the 'work of note' part is the tricky judgement and subjectivity thing. Can you give some examples of the worst of current inconsistencies?

Re: Site Updates

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:04 pm
by R-Tape
PeterJ wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:52 pm
Just to throw in my thoughts, and I don't know if this is possible, but I would not create new entries for any mods (sorry). Instead I think they should be listed under the main game entry.
ARGH! CODE RED PETER! CODE RED! :mrgreen:

(Kidding)

I think that'd be a logistic nightmare, especially as there are so many JSW mods, but I also think it would be the wrong thing to do. IMO any MOD that is a 'work of note' should have it's own ID. The Harry S Price ones are a good example, it's the kind of thing people would specifically search for.

Re: Site Updates

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:59 am
by PeterJ
Hi @R-Tape

I was sort of hoping that with my preferred solution they would still be searchable via the 'include mods' option on advanced search, but then take you to the main game page with a new section for mods, in the same way we have other groupings.

We also have the issue of what counts as a mod with significant effort. I suppose we would need some form of voting?

Anyway, these are just my thoughts and I'm very happy to go with whatever the rest of you guys agree on.

Sorry, I caused a code red.

Re: Site Updates

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:43 am
by Ralf
We also have the issue of what counts as a mod with significant effort.
Okay, I'll try:

- new levels: yes
- new graphics: yes
- AY music added: hhmm, borderline case ;)

- cracktro ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_intro ) added: no
- new loader: no
- new loading screen: no
- translated to another language: no

Would you agree ?
I believe a mod should also have a short description what was changed.

Of course it all applies to mods which are games changed unofficially (yes, mod is a better version of crack but we avoid this bad word ;) )
If some game was altered and then sold commercially (for example Sweevo's World and Sweevo's Whirled) then it always has an entry in the database.
But these cases were already covered yet on WOS, I believe.