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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:26 am
by 8BitAG
Additional games written with the Professional Adventure Writing System...

Juanito 3 https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21015
King Quest V https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=20966
Lider https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=20973
Lobos https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21012
Look for the Piramid's Treasure https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16881
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:20 pm
by 8BitAG

Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:01 pm
by 8BitAG

Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:02 pm
by 8BitAG
The text adventure...

Alicia en el Pais de las Maravillas https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=5942

is listed as an adventure game: text only rather than Adventure Game: Text/Illustrated


Wamwort https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=7172

is listed as being produced with the PAWs...

...Looking at the game, it was not produced using the PAWs.
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:03 am
by R-Tape
8BitAG wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:02 pm Wamwort https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=7172

is listed as being produced with the PAWs...

...Looking at the game, it was not produced using the PAWs.
Aye—it doesn't look very PAWed does it. Are you going purely by appearance, or clues in the code?

Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:56 pm
by 8BitAG
R-Tape wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:03 am Aye—it doesn't look very PAWed does it. Are you going purely by appearance, or clues in the code?
A mixture of several things... the system doesn't behave like PAWs (it doesn't even feel like PAWs when you type... far too sluggish), it's doing a few things that PAW can't really do easily outside of using EXTERNS. Also Unpaws says it's not a PAWed database.

Going back to it, just to check, I've also just noticed that you can BREAK into the program and list the BASIC code... So, yeah, not PAWS. :)
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:32 am
by R-Tape
Jane Jelly 3 listed incorrectly as part of the Cattivik series.

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=28162
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:19 am
by Juan F. Ramirez
The game Dominó:

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17797

was a BASIC game published in Microhobby issue 35, page 8:

https://archive.org/details/microhobby- ... df/page/n7

The author isn't in the game entry, but in the magazine issue it can be read that the author was Amador Tenreiro.
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:44 pm
by StooB
Frank Bruno's Boxing (1848)

- there are two Encore re-releases but only the Bruno-Tyson edition is listed, although both inlays are present. Release year for both of them is 1988.

The Evil Crown (1680) and The Force (1840)

- publisher should be Mind Games (9928) rather than Argus (1243) according to their inlays

Orion Quest (24852) and Star Force Seven (10248)

- publisher should be Mind Games (9928) according to this article:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 641&page=5
and this advert:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 35&page=89

Superman - The Game (5069)

- original publisher is Telecomsoft (14343), not Firebird (4722) according to the original inlay (not available here, but uploaded by zzapmort to archive.org: https://archive.org/download/spectrumin ... nlay01.jpg)

Yankee (5814)
- this game has two scenarios, one on each side of the tape, but this does not make it a "compilation" any more that Batman - The Caped Crusader, Barbarian, or hundreds of text adventures that come in multiple parts.
Genre should be changed to "Strategy Game: War" and the scenarios Gettysburg (26596) and Chickamauga (26597) deleted.

The Duct (1533)
- original publication should be "As part of a compilation"
- confirmed in this review:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 19&page=36

Xeno (5787)
- there is no re-release from a publisher called Kidsplay (8070) - that's the name of a compilation it's on.

The label Again Again (440) is owned by Alternative (782), not Grandslam (5523)

Guide to Greater London (9226)
- this is on the B-side of Robin of Sherlock (6900) so the publisher should be Silversoft (13286).
- the link in the comments to 6900 from 9226 is broken:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 20Software
should be
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6900)

Robin of Sherlock (6900)
- there is no re-release from CRL (2122). The tzx labelled as CRL shows the publisher as Delta 4/Silversoft according to tzxlist.
- CRL's involvement with running Silversoft is noted here:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 686&page=7
- this PCW review gives CRL's address for Silversoft:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 85&page=21

Devil's Crown (1381)
- original publisher is Probe Software Ltd (UK) (11646), with the Mastertronic (9371) version being a re-release.
- advert:
https://ia600604.us.archive.org/zipview ... Ltd-ad.jpg
- confirmed in this review for Mantronix:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 28&page=36
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:34 pm
by R-Tape
Cheers [mention]StooB[/mention]

Can I just say that there's a bit of upheaval with the update system this month, and things are especially busy otherwise. Just letting everyone know the next update might not include everything, but if anything is missed it will happen when we're sorted :)

Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:28 pm
by 8BitAG
I'm not sure why Kobyashi Naru is listed as being written with PAW in the database...

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6545

Unlike its sequel, it wasn't created using PAW. It was produce with Les & Clive's own system.
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:30 pm
by StooB
Game Over + Game Over 2 (15451)

- this is the UK release of Phantis (3676) and is already listed on that page

St Bride's School (UK) (13696)

- should be St Bride's School (Ireland) and is not owned by CRL Group (2122)

The Snow Queen (6991)

- originally released by St Bride's School (13696) with the Mosaic Publishing (10034) re-release in 1986
source 1: advert for St Bride's version: https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 87&page=81
source 2: re-release confirmed by Mike Gerrard in YS June 86: https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 27&page=65

Journey's End (2644), Sinbad and the Golden Ship (6976)

- were released by Mastertronic Ltd (9371) not Mastervision (9373) (source: covers)

Blade Software (1746)

- not from, or owned by Mythos Games (10087)
(source: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010 ... iew?page=2 )

Laser Squad (2813)

- original publication is by Target Games (14284) in 1988
- Blade Software (1746) re-released the game in 1989 (first Blade Software ads appear in Oct 1989, earlier ones are all Target Games)

Energy Warrior + Molecule Man (11299), Rockford (4214)

- are not published by Mastertronic Added Dimension (9370), but by its replacement "MAD X"
(source: https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 71&page=23)
- Rockman should be listed as a compilation because it has 2 games like Energy Warrior + Molecule Man, and renamed "Rockford + Rockman"

Tank Trax + Bullseye (11300), Gnasher + Spectipede (11301)

- original release year should be 1985 (source: inlays)

Motorbike Madness (3292)

- published by Mastertronic Added Dimension (9370) not Mastertronic Ltd (9371) (source: cover)

Into The Abyss (11808), Minister for Alien Affairs (11907), Time of the End (7101)

- published (or planned to be published) by Mandarin Adventures, not Mandarin Software (UK) (8972) which doesn't exist until 1988
(source: https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 93&page=10

Super Glooper also FROGS (31822)

- should be a compilation with contents Super Glooper (29682) and Frogs (31626)
- the author of Super Glooper is Steve Kelly (UK) (13892) (source: https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 740&page=9)
- inlay scans available at http://www.zx81stuff.org.uk/zx81/tape/SuperGlooper
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:43 pm
by 8BitAG
StooB wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:30 pm The Snow Queen (6991)
- originally released by St Bride's School (13696) with the Mosaic Publishing (10034) re-release in 1986
source 1: advert for St Bride's version: https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 87&page=81
source 2: re-release confirmed by Mike Gerrard in YS June 86: https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 27&page=65
Well, while we're at it... the date for the GI Games re-release is wrong too (see the document in the Dogboy thread)...

Should be 1991 for the GI Games re-release.

And 1992 for the Zenobi re-release.

And potentially 1992 also for the Northern Underground re-release.

Those dates also need to be altered to the same on the entries for...

Bugsy https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6050
The Dogboy https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6191
Jack the Ripper https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6497
The Secret of St. Bride's https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6951
Silverwolf https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6974
The Very Big Cave Adventure https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=7161
The White Feather Cloak https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=7180

ie. GI Games (1991)
Zenobi (1992)

and possibly...
The Northern Underground (1992)
...although I do want to quickly check which GI Games titles were included in that arrangement.
(edit: Just found a review in From Beyond of one of the St. Bride's games distributed by The Northern Underground... So I'm pretty confident the St. Bride's games were included in the 24 GI Games titles that they republished)

(see the Dogboy thread for the supporting documentation which references sources for all these dates)

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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:17 pm
by Juan F. Ramirez
Cybertanks, by Star Dreams.

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1201

A strange case, as not many info about this game. No inlay and no instructions. No author. Just the publisher and it was sold at 5,50 GBP and some short references on magazines.

According to the entry info, It was also included in the WOW compilation so I look it up and found in the compilations info:

CYBERTANKS Count: STAR DREAMS
PROGRAMMING - PAUL JEFFRIES


So Paul Jeffries should be included in the database as the author of this game.

If anyone could have the original inlay would be great! Not a bad game.
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:30 pm
by Vampyre
This is not necessarily a bug in the database and could well have been researched in the past and found to be incorrect.

Sophistry (https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4648) is currently allocated to Authors TFMG and TEBS which is what is displayed on the loading screen.

However, there's a Games Machine review (https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 95&page=49) that specifically mentions Roderick McSarquar as the author, which is very specific.

I've managed to do some Google-digging and found another sort-of confirmation. Some OCRing of ZZAP on archive.org has the following in https://archive.org/stream/Zzap044Dec88 ... 8_djvu.txt

"CRL's writer of Sophistry, Roderick Mcsarquar translates as 'I've seduced another Scotsman'." Whatever the hell that means...!
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:46 pm
by StooB
According to Google there are no other McSarquars in the world, so it's probably a name invented by Clement Chambers.

Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:14 pm
by 8BitAG
Vampyre wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:30 pm "CRL's writer of Sophistry, Roderick Mcsarquar translates as 'I've seduced another Scotsman'." Whatever the hell that means...!
As an aside, there is a real person (a fairly famous politician and academic) called Roderick MacFarquhar :) :D

(Wikipedia actually lists his middle name as... Lemonade.... !?)

Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:30 pm
by richl
To add to the Laser Squad info above, I remember doing some poking around with the various releases and expansion pack etc. last year. I posted all my corrections/findings into this thread:
https://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/ ... ion/55057/

It's a shame that there's probably a ton of other fixes that people have submitted over on the WOS forums during the post-handover period that'll eventually get lost as and when it finally sinks into the mire but whenever I see anything that I vaguely recall posting something about I try and post it here now instead. We should have some sort of Christmas appeal for people to resubmit info here and try and educate others to not waste their time posting on WOS. It's a shame as people genuinely want to help but since no-one other than a blurred circle knows what the Big Secret Plan™ is you'd be better off sending corrections to Santa.... or Einar as I think he now likes to be called ;)

Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:16 pm
by Vampyre
richl wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:30 pm To add to the Laser Squad info above, I remember doing some poking around with the various releases and expansion pack etc. last year. I posted all my corrections/findings into this thread:
https://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/ ... ion/55057/

It's a shame that there's probably a ton of other fixes that people have submitted over on the WOS forums during the post-handover period that'll eventually get lost as and when it finally sinks into the mire but whenever I see anything that I vaguely recall posting something about I try and post it here now instead. We should have some sort of Christmas appeal for people to resubmit info here and try and educate others to not waste their time posting on WOS. It's a shame as people genuinely want to help but since no-one other than a blurred circle knows what the Big Secret Plan™ is you'd be better off sending corrections to Santa.... or Einar as I think he now likes to be called ;)
Well I'm certainly not posting any findings to WoS any longer which I have in the past. Doesn't seem to be any point, so my full support is now to ZXDB.

Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:56 pm
by PeterJ
I've been trying to get my creative juices going by looking at magazine type-ins recently and noticed this one:

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=13252

In ZXDB the author is said to be from New Zealand (Same on WoS), but if you open up the listings page for Sinclair Programs it describes the author from being from Angus in Scotland.

Also should the releases include the MicroHobby type-ins too.
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:50 pm
by 8BitAG
I don't know if a game can have more than one alias in the database but the game listed as...

Personal Computer Whirled! https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6788

was actually called Personal Computing Whirled!

Although it was called Personal Computer Whirled! enough, including when it was republished by Zenobi and on Amstrad, that Personal Computer Whirled! is probably now its "proper" name. :)
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:08 pm
by PeterJ
There is an 'alternative title' field.

Peter

Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:25 pm
by Rorthron
A few proposed corrections to the entry for Apocalypse:

1. It has an AKA that is not listed: "Apocalypse: The Game of Nuclear Devastation"

2. It was officially licensed from a boardgame by Games Workshop. No licence is shown in the entry (though there is a link to the relevelant Wikipedia page). I presume the licence should be listed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_(board_game)

3. The Command Software release is from 1987, not 1983.

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 19&page=12

4. Expansion packs are mentioned in comments. Should they not be included as part of a series?

5. The authors are listed in SC as "Dino" and "Joey", which is confirmed by the in-game credits. However, the Dino on SC is labelled "(Denmark)" and only otherwise associated with much later demos. The Dino behind Apocalypse was apparently based in England. They could be the same person, but I suspect two different people might have been conflated. Does anyone know more about who Dino and Joey were?

6. Dino and Joey are listed as working for Games Workshop. I think this is incorrect and should be deleted.

At some point they did work in the SLUG cooperative. Crash 9 suggests this was after they worked for Red Shift, but that might not be entirely accurate:

"A series of problems at Red Shift earlier this year [198x] led to the departure of most of the programmers to the SLUG co-op."

SLUG did subsequently do work for Games Workshop, but it seems that at the time of Apocalypse's original release, there was no formal association.

The authors of Apocalypse are stated to be SLUG on the Talisman box, but this might be a retrospective rewrite:
https://ia600604.us.archive.org/zipview ... x-Back.jpg

(SLUG are also authors of Rebelstar Raiders according to the Talisman box, but are not listed in SC.)

6. The link to PCN p370 does not work (and I am fairly sure PCN never had 370 pages!):

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 0&page=370

7. The Your Computer link is also not working: https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 6&page=134

8. The labels for the Crash magazine references are an inconsistent mixture: some say LivingGuide and some Review. They are all to the same Living Guide comment, so should have a consistent label.
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:25 pm
by Rorthron
Correction for the Apocalypse expansion sets.

1. Delete all the magazine references to the first expansion set; they all refer to the main game and not the expansion set.
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Re: Little bugs in the database

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:40 pm
by PeterJ
Hi [mention]Rorthron[/mention]

Thanks for the reports.

I know the scans of Your Computer magazine are not complete and never have been. Can you do me a favour and see if any of the Your Computer pages are working?

The magazine references come from 'The Type Fantastic' database. We can do changes to our copiy in ZXDB but we need to prioritise.

Cheers

Peter