Licence information

[PeterJ]

Nope.

Thanks!

There's always one.

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2546

This title now displays as expected [mention]StooB[/mention] [mention]Rorthron[/mention]

[Einar Saukas]

Just to be clear, ZXDB follows Martijn's WoS model that each game can have only 1 license "product" (either as official tie-in or unofficial inspiration). Although the license "product" may have multiple owners (like this and this).

I could change this model if needed, but I don't think that's necessary. In this case, I think it should be marked as official tie-in for Daley Thompson only. Both Adidas and Lucozade are paid advertises, not really tie-ins.

Any thoughts?


EDIT: Actually it seems Adidas is a paid advertise, and Lucozade is a co-owner of the "Daley Thompson" brand (together with Daley Thompson himself). Thus my suggestion is adding a comment about Adidas advertise, and leave a single license with 2 owners.

[Rorthron]

There's always one.

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2546

This title now displays as expected @StooB @Rorthron

Thanks for your work on this.

[Rorthron]

In this case, I think it should be marked as official tie-in for Daley Thompson only. Both Adidas and Lucozade are paid advertises, not really tie-ins.

+1

[StooB]

Are you a coder @StooB

A long long time ago.

Just to be clear, ZXDB follows Martijn's WoS model that each game can have only 1 license "product" (either as official tie-in or unofficial inspiration). Although the license "product" may have multiple owners (like this and this).

I could change this model if needed, but I don't think that's necessary. In this case, I think it should be marked as official tie-in for Daley Thompson only. Both Adidas and Lucozade are paid advertises, not really tie-ins.

Any thoughts?


EDIT: Actually it seems Adidas is a paid advertise, and Lucozade is a co-owner of the "Daley Thompson" brand (together with Daley Thompson himself). Thus my suggestion is adding a comment about Adidas advertise, and leave a single license with 2 owners.

There are two other Adidas games, https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=85 and https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=87 .
Does an advertiser only become a licensor when their name is in the title?

Clicking on Adidas at WoS brings up all three titles: http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseek ... loadpics=3

[PeterJ]

Our search does not look at the license information. There is no reason why it couldn't in the future.

[Rorthron]

This is probably a stupid question, but where do Lucozade and Adidas actually appear in Daley Thompson's Decathlon?

[Einar Saukas]

This is probably a stupid question, but where do Lucozade and Adidas actually appear in Daley Thompson's Decathlon?

Adidas appears on outdoors in the background. Thus the reason I think it's an advert, which is kinda the opposite of a license. In the sense that Adidas probably paid Ocean to appear in these adverts, whereas Ocean probably paid Daley Thompson for the license to use his name in the game.

I don't think Lucozade appears anywhere, except credited in the loading screen. Since Lucozade was Daley Thompson's sponsor at the time, I'm assuming Lucozade co-owned the "Daley Thompson" brand, i.e their approval was needed on licensing Daley Thompson's name in this game.

[Rorthron]

This is probably a stupid question, but where do Lucozade and Adidas actually appear in Daley Thompson's Decathlon?

Adidas appears on outdoors in the background. Thus the reason I think it's an advert, which is kinda the opposite of a license. In the sense that Adidas probably paid Ocean to appear in these adverts, whereas Ocean probably paid Daley Thompson for the license to use his name in the game.

I don't think Lucozade appears anywhere, except credited in the loading screen. Since Lucozade was Daley Thompson's sponsor at the time, I'm assuming Lucozade co-owned the "Daley Thompson" brand, i.e their approval was needed on licensing Daley Thompson's name in this game.

OK. Definitely not licences, then.

[Einar Saukas]

There are two other Adidas games, https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=85 and https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=87 .
Does an advertiser only become a licensor when their name is in the title?

Not necessarily.

But in both these games, Adidas is part of the main theme. They are promoted as games about real life competitions from Adidas. There's clearly a tie-in to Adidas brand in both cases.

In comparison, the main theme for Daley Thompson's Olympic Challenge is obviously Daley Thompson. Adidas is not part of the theme, just background advertising dissociated with the gameplay. I don't think it should be marked as tie-in in this case.

Clicking on Adidas at WoS brings up all three titles: http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseek ... loadpics=3

Right now, searching for licenses related to Adidas in ZXDB will also bring up all 3 titles, since this information was imported from WoS. However I think this should be corrected.

[StooB]

There are two other Adidas games, https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=85 and https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=87 .
Does an advertiser only become a licensor when their name is in the title?

Adidas is not part of the theme, just background advertising dissociated with the gameplay. I don't think it should be marked as tie-in in this case.

The player has to choose the correct Adidas footwear for each event. It is part of the game, not just in the background.

[Einar Saukas]

Sorry but I still think that's also Adidas advertising, not something they included in the gameplay to make the game more fun.

[StooB]

Sorry but I still think that's also Adidas advertising, not something they included in the gameplay to make the game more fun.

What about Chewits, Skips, Dunlop tyres, Suzuki, Wimpy, Burger King, Toyota and Lotus cars? Do those brands make their games more fun? Your logic is inconsistent!

[Einar Saukas]

What about Chewits, Skips, Dunlop tyres, Suzuki, Wimpy, Burger King, Toyota and Lotus cars? Do those brands make their games more fun?

Lotus cars, definitely. People would buy a race game saying "it's so cool I will drive a LOTUS CAR!" That's a licensed tie-in.

Dunlop tires, certainly not. Nobody would buy a race game saying "it's so cool I will drive a car using DUNLOP TIRES!" That's an advertising.

Even so, upon further inspection I recognize the distinction isn't always clear. For instance Whopper Chase is a promotional game for Burger King, so it's essentially advertising, but it's the main theme of the game thus it doesn't feel right to remove its association to the Burger King brand...

OK, I'm convinced. I will restructure ZXDB tables to support multiple licenses per game, and put Adidas license back into Daley Thompson's Olympic Challenge. Unless anyone else wants to argue otherwise?

[Einar Saukas]

Since there were no objections, I just released another ZXDB version supporting multiple licenses (official tie-ins or unofficial inspirations) for the same title.