Little bugs in the database 2

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Re: Little bugs in the database 2

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Einar Saukas wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:27 pm Are you sure they were not originally co-published by Microprose and US Gold together?

Or perhaps published by Microprose first, US Gold later?
No, this is before Microprose set up their own UK operations in Tetbury. The US Gold business model was to publish US software in Europe - that's why it was called US Gold.

It's not co-published any more than Bruce Lee was co-published with Datasoft or Winter Games was co-published with Epyx.
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Re: Little bugs in the database 2

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StooB wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:58 pm
Einar Saukas wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:27 pm Are you sure they were not originally co-published by Microprose and US Gold together?

Or perhaps published by Microprose first, US Gold later?
No, this is before Microprose set up their own UK operations in Tetbury. The US Gold business model was to publish US software in Europe - that's why it was called US Gold.

It's not co-published any more than Bruce Lee was co-published with Datasoft or Winter Games was co-published with Epyx.
OK, thanks for the confirmation!

I'm making these changes now, they will appear in the next ZXDB update.
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Re: Little bugs in the database 2

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Einar Saukas wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:18 pm
StooB wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:58 pm No, this is before Microprose set up their own UK operations in Tetbury. The US Gold business model was to publish US software in Europe - that's why it was called US Gold.

It's not co-published any more than Bruce Lee was co-published with Datasoft or Winter Games was co-published with Epyx.
OK, thanks for the confirmation!

I'm making these changes now, they will appear in the next ZXDB update.
Do you know if the original date and price, currently assigned to Microprose in both cases, actually refer to US Gold original release or Microprose re-release?
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Re: Little bugs in the database 2

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Reyes y Castillos (https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4134) is not an "Arcade Game: Action" (fixed).
Also, both TAPs are from a cracked version from Uruguay, that has some modifications on the texts. There is not original version preserved for this game.

[mention]R-Tape[/mention] not sure if worth change the country of both TAPs to Uruguay, since it was a local (pirated) release.

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Einar Saukas wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:01 pm Do you know if the original date and price, currently assigned to Microprose in both cases, actually refer to US Gold original release or Microprose re-release?
Fortunately all the versions were advertised individually:
US Gold's Silent Service
Microprose's Silent Service
US Gold's Acro Jet
Microprose's Acro Jet

- all prices are £9.95. Both US Gold ads were published in 1986 and both Microprose ads are from 1987.

Although they're not shown on this site, the barcodes are:
Silent Service US Gold: 5 013442 534335
Acro Jet US Gold: 5 013442 530559
Silent Service Microprose: 5 015352 094039
Acro Jet Microprose: 5 015352 094053
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Thanks again!!!
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I need to make some corrections to this input, which is one that I uploaded:

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=34763

Andromeda is not Also known as Willibald.

Andromeda and Willibald are two different games both included on that TZX I made, one game on each side.

Willibald was already in the database, but the version in the TZX I uploaded seems to be a newer and improved versions. So the version already online was probably first release, where it might have been released on its own.

But Andromeda and Willibald IS NOT the same game :D
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Brutal Worms (https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17110) is 4 players SIMULTANEOUS not alternating (Fixed!)
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Frankie wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:40 am Willibald was already in the database, but the version in the TZX I uploaded seems to be a newer and improved versions. So the version already online was probably first release, where it might have been released on its own.
This is an interesting case, I can see in the TZX that no only Andromeda is the second game on the tape, but also both Willibald and Andromeda are recorded twice on the same side. The side B looks identical to the side A:

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[mention]R-Tape[/mention] perhaps we can create a Z80 of Andromeda and add a comment about the state of the TZX file?
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druellan wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:24 pm@R-Tape perhaps we can create a Z80 of Andromeda and add a comment about the state of the TZX file?
Please don't!

A snapshot (such as Z80) is a terrible format to preserve programs. We should avoid it whenever possible, except only as last resort, when an actual tape preservation cannot be obtained.

In a snapshot, you are basically cutting out the program initialization. Sometimes it's obvious what you be missing (such as losing the loading screen). Other times, problems can be more subtle. For instance, a game that generates scenarios with random elements, usually choose a random seed right at the beginning. If you load it from a tape image, it will generate a different scenario every time. But if you load it from a Z80 snapshot, the random seed was probably already chosen, so it will probably always generate exactly the same scenario.

Snapshots made sense a couple decades ago, when emulators couldn't handle custom loaders, or they took too long to load programs from tape. Nowadays, snapshots still make sense to save a game you are playing for instance, but not for software preservation.
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Einar Saukas wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:43 am Nowadays, snapshots still make sense to save a game you are playing for instance, but not for software preservation.
Hi! Well, that was pretty much my intention. Since we need to "extract" the game from the TZX if we want a less confusing image of it, a snap is pretty much screaming "this is not a preservation image", but I totally agree if you want to exterminate the format from the DB. We can leave things alone or create a quick TAP.
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druellan wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:01 am
Einar Saukas wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:43 am Nowadays, snapshots still make sense to save a game you are playing for instance, but not for software preservation.
Hi! Well, that was pretty much my intention. Since we need to "extract" the game from the TZX if we want a less confusing image of it, a snap is pretty much screaming "this is not a preservation image", but I totally agree if you want to exterminate the format from the DB. We can leave things alone or create a quick TAP.
I think it would be better to create a TZX of this program. This way, nothing will be lost.

You can edit the TZX from the compilation, to delete all other programs, then save the remaining TZX under a different name. I suggest something like "PROGRAM_NAME(COMPILATION_NAME).tzx.zip" so we know exactly from which compilation it was extracted.
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Re: Little bugs in the database 2

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Please check the game called Genus, and precisely the .tzx file:

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2012

https://archive.org/download/World_of_S ... us.tzx.zip

The tape image contains not only Genus but also some presentation/utility called Speechdemo. And another game called Guppi from the same author is on the B side.

Maybe we should make a new database entry for Speechdemo? Or mark the tape as compilation? Or maybe leave it as it is ;) I dunno.

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Frankie wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:40 am Andromeda and Willibald are two different games both included on that TZX I made, one game on each side.
Hi, just to double check: the TZX on Andromeda was compiled by you or it is an image from an official compilation?
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Ralf wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:03 pm The tape image contains not only Genus but also some presentation/utility called Speechdemo. And another game called Guppi from the same author is on the B side.
Confirmed! Guppy seems to be this one: https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2187 but we only have a TAP image.
But I'm not sure we can call this a compilation, seems that the game was self-distributed and the author just wanted to add some extras:

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We can just note everything on the comments.
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But I'm not sure we can call this a compilation, seems that the game was self-distributed and the author just wanted to add some extras:
Yes, I also feel that calling it a compilation would be too much. These bonus programs aren't even mentioned anywhere in the inlay. So yes, probably a comment would be enough.
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Some more discoveries about Genus ( https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2012 ).

So I made a rzx recording of it: http://www.rzxarchive.co.uk/g.php#genus Quite interesting to watch, lots of nice inspirations in the levels coming from games like Cybernoid, I Ball, Manic Miner and others

And at some moment we get a hint about next author's game which isn't mentioned anywhere in the database so it sadly seems that it never was completed:

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So I would suggest adding a record to the database:

Name: Zyborgs
Author: Andrew Mark Daly
Genre: Arcade action (a wild guess, based on intuition and author's other games)
Status: Never released

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druellan wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:22 pm
Frankie wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:40 am Andromeda and Willibald are two different games both included on that TZX I made, one game on each side.
Hi, just to double check: the TZX on Andromeda was compiled by you or it is an image from an official compilation?
What do you mean by compiled by you? Its an official release with both games on one tape, and I provided the Perfect TZX. That company did more double game releases like this. There has been one uploaded to WOS within the last six months or so.

Here is my dropbox link to the complete package I uploaded, including inlay and all :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqrcuxbtberts ... d.zip?dl=0
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Frankie wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 3:43 pm What do you mean by compiled by you? Its an official release with both games on one tape, and I provided the Perfect TZX. That company did more double game releases like this. There has been one uploaded to WOS within the last six months or so.
Thanks Frankie, sorry, it was not my intention to imply anything, I just wanted to be sure I was understanding the source correctly, since it is not that usual to record both games twice on the same side of the cassette.
Thanks again, and apologies.

BTW: Andromeda is a really cute Atlantis clone, and fast!

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druellan wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 1:39 am
Frankie wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 3:43 pm What do you mean by compiled by you? Its an official release with both games on one tape, and I provided the Perfect TZX. That company did more double game releases like this. There has been one uploaded to WOS within the last six months or so.
Thanks Frankie, sorry, it was not my intention to imply anything, I just wanted to be sure I was understanding the source correctly, since it is not that usual to record both games twice on the same side of the cassette.
Thanks again, and apologies.

BTW: Andromeda is a really cute Atlantis clone, and fast!

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Sorry if I sounded harsh, wasn’t meant to :)

Yes, Andromeda is a good game just as Willibald. Shame these games wasn’t known outside Germany back then. I would have had a lot of fun with these :)
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Human Killing Machine:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2375

is one on one fighting game. So the better cattegory for it would be
"Arcade Game: Solo beat-em-up"
instead of current
"Arcade Game: Gang beat-em-up"

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The re-release dates, listed against TZX files, for the following adventures are currently wrong in the database...

The following Fergus McNeil re-releases, the date for the GI Games releases should be 1991 and the corresponding Zenobi releases should be 1992 for tape and 1993 for +D disk.

The Big Sleeze
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6008

The Boggit
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6023

Bored of the Rings
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6036

The Dragonstar Trilogy
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21610

Sherwood Forest
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6969

Robin of Sherlock *
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6900
* The Zenobi date is already correct here

Return of the Holy Joystick
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6885

Quest for the Holy Joystick *
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6846
* There was also a Zenobi re-release, that's not listed
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These Walter Pooley & Precision Gamess re-releases, the GI Games dates should be 1991 and the Zenobi dates 1992 for tape and 1993 for +D disk.

Castle Adventure
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6065

Pyramid
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=7176

Mission X
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6699

Mansion Quest
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6652

Desert Island
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6165

The Energem Enigma
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=10780

The Extricator
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6277
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These St. Bride's game re-releases should be 1991 for GI Games, and 1992 for Zenobi for tape and 1993 for +D disk.

Dogboy
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6191

Secret of St. Bride's
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6951

Silverwolf
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6974
* Zenobi date already correct

Snowqueen
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6991

Very Big Cave Adventure
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=7161

and also... Jack the Ripper should be 1991 for GI Games and 1992 for Zenobi Software for tape and 1993 for +D disk.

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6497
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