Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

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Re: Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

Post by Ralf » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:38 pm

Yeah, I know perfectly the issua of Italian cracks. Actually tapes coming with Italian magazines contained a mix of cracks and
original software. Some years ago I help to download to WOS some original Italian software.

I agree with Einar that we shouldn't add the cracks itself to ZXDB but the info would be valuable. Something like:

Sabre Wulf:
released unoficcially on Load'N'Run 14 As Esploratore


Is it worth to do? Maybe we should ask what are the alternative paths of ZXDB development. If I may ask, what were you planning
to work onin the nearest future, Einar?
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Re: Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

Post by Alessandro » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:48 pm

Ralf wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:38 pm
Sabre Wulf:
released unoficcially on Load'N'Run 14 As Esploratore
I remember it, it was on the March 1985 issue and I even completed it ;)

Just to clarify what I wrote above, Sabre Wulf appears as:
- Esploratore on Load 'n' Run 14
- Africa Nera on Super Spectrum (a special issue of Tutto Spectrum which appeared in 1985)
- Il predatore on Linguaggio Macchina 5
- La jungla on RUN 5
- Cabre Wolf on Computer Games e Utilites 01 - I

That's a whopping five different references :shock:
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Re: Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

Post by Einar Saukas » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:01 pm

Alessandro wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:26 pm
We are talking about almost a thousand of titles to put in that spreadsheet.
Exactly. That's the reason I'm asking for help.

I cataloged 2 Load'n'Run tapes today. If more people can help keep this pace, it will take a month. That's good enough!

Alessandro wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:26 pm
That would be a mammoth task to say the least,
Almost everything related to ZXDB are mammoth tasks. We have been doing them anyway :)

Alessandro wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:26 pm
even if it's just a matter of copy and paste from the list on Gerard's website.
It's not just copy and paste. It takes some extra work to check the placement of games in each tape, and find out the correct ZXDB IDs among different games with the same title.

Alessandro wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:26 pm
Not to mention the fact that Load 'n' Run was just one of the many "tape magazines" of the era, and with RUN the only one which also published original software made by readers.
It seems both Run and Load'n'Run contained some original software. I would like to catalog both.

Alessandro wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:26 pm
There is a plethora of other magazines that hosted just pirated games with false names - Program, Special Program, Playgames, Special Playgames, New Special Playgames, Tutto Spectrum, Run Games, POKE, Game 2000 etc. - so that many titles have more than one false name, because they appeared across several of those magazines. This means there should be a list for each one of those magazines, listing all of the resolved titles with their correct alias - enough to give headaches for months, maybe years.
I don't really bother about magazines that never had original content. I mean, I wouldn't mind importing already available information about them too, but I don't think that's important enough to dedicate as much time on them.
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Re: Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

Post by Einar Saukas » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:13 pm

Ralf wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:38 pm
Is it worth to do? Maybe we should ask what are the alternative paths of ZXDB development. If I may ask, what were you planning
to work onin the nearest future, Einar?
The ZXDB roadmap is available here:

viewtopic.php?p=25876#p25876
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Re: Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

Post by Alessandro » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:58 am

@Einar Saukas : if you just wish to catalogate the original software, then the task is much easier, since Load 'n' Run stopped publishing reader-authored sofware from issue 62 (September 1988), RUN lasted for just 14 issues, and everything for which the author/s is/are mentioned is original. Just remember the following:

- authors are usually credited with their (shortened) first name and last name in the magazine and sometimes with their full name and surname, or a pseudonym, in their programs, e.g. R.&K. Di Martino appear as "Rosario & Kelly Di Martino" in some programs and "Di Martino Soft" or "RKD" in others; Carlo Altieri is credited as "C. Altieri" in the magazine and appears as "Prometeo" in his game The Magic Land Of Landlords;
- sometimes authors crediting themselves in their programs put their last name before their first name, e.g. "Boscolo Luca" instead of "Luca Boscolo", "Cesura Gianfranco" instead of "Gianfranco Cesura";
- there are some errors carried over from the WoS database; e.g. Super Basic in issue 22 is in fact an original program (an enhancement for the Spectrum's BASIC interpreter), and whoever listed it into the database thought that it was called "Super Basic istruzioni" (and also misspelled the last word as "Instruzioni"), which is the title of the short program displaying the instructions for the main one.

Finally, Load 'n' Run's readers produced many different types of programs: arcade games, text adventures, simulations, educational, demos etc. if you cannot understand exactly what kind of software a program is, send me a message. Right now I can tell you that issues 2 and 3 of Load 'n' Run contain advertising, i.e. Pubblicità ("Advertising"), Campagna abbonamenti ("Subscription campaign") and Abbonamenti ("Subscriptions"); under which genre are you going to file it?
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Re: Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

Post by Ralf » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:03 am

if you just wish to catalogate the original software, then the task is much easier, since Load 'n' Run stopped publishing reader-authored sofware from issue 62 (September 1988)
Most of the original software from Load'n'Run is already uploaded and contains info about the magazine number.

For example:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=10

But I guess this info is just text, not proper relationship in the database.
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Re: Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

Post by Einar Saukas » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:07 am

Almost all titles (original or not) should be already in the database. So it's just a matter of finding their IDs. If any of them is missing, simply put a question mark as ID and I will deal with it myself later.

If you find any more errors in titles or authors, please report them in the forum (or by email) and I will fix them ASAP.

Thanks!!!
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Re: Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

Post by Einar Saukas » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:08 am

Ralf wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:03 am
if you just wish to catalogate the original software, then the task is much easier, since Load 'n' Run stopped publishing reader-authored sofware from issue 62 (September 1988)
Most of the original software from Load'n'Run is already uploaded and contains info about the magazine number.

For example:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=10

But I guess this info is just text, not proper relationship in the database.
Exactly!
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Re: Load'n'Run.... "Pirated" games?

Post by Einar Saukas » Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:07 pm

The first few issues of Load'n'Run are now stored in ZXDB:

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... mag_id=321

Click on "PDF" to access a magazine issue as PDF. Or "VIEW" to view the PDF online. Also you can click on a magazine issue to see further details, then on "tape" to see contents of each covertape.

I hope we will get all magazine issues properly cataloged eventually. Many thanks to Alessandro Grussu for his help so far!
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