New WoS and ZXDB

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Re: New WoS and ZXDB

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PeterJ wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:36 pm
... and we can have a group hug (1 metre apart obviously!).
Err, TWO metres apart unless you are using medical grade PPE mask, face guard, protective suit, gloves etc... :lol:

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Re: New WoS and ZXDB

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1024MAK wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:43 pm

Err, TWO metres apart unless you are using medical grade PPE mask, face guard, protective suit, gloves etc... :lol:

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Apologies @1024MAK. You are quite right. The 1M does not start until Saturday 4th July (England). By the way, who on earth came up with the idea of re-opening all the pubs on a Saturday....
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Re: New WoS and ZXDB

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Back on topic...

Although new WoS contains an online update tool, very few changes have been made using it. Most recent changes were applied directly to the database in a hurry, as reaction to the evidences I have been posting here :)

New WoS was launched 18 days ago (June 15th). During this time, there were 12 relevant changes to individual entries in new WoS, except for "RZX files" added manually one by one (which is nonsense since they can be imported all at once from latest ZXDB version). They are listed here:

https://worldofspectrum.org/archive/whats_new

One of them was additional comments for an adventure called "Werner's Quest". ZXDB didn't change this comment since it was imported from Martijn's old WoS. So this is how it appears at SpectrumComputing for instance:

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On June 17th, new comments were added using new WoS online update tool, so it looked like this:

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Yesterday, when Fogarty Lee was in a hurry to revert all comments taken from ZXDB 2018, he ended up reverting his own changes too. This is how it appears in new WoS now:

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Notice how these additional comments vanished, although it still shows it was updated on June 17th. Ouch!


NOTE: Reproduced from my post at the WoS forum
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This soap opera is amazing... I've got popcorn !
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I don't have anything cool to put here, so i'll just be off now to see a priest with yeast stuck between his teeth and his friend called Keith who's a hairpiece thief...

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Re: New WoS and ZXDB

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hitm4n wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:20 pm
This soap opera is amazing... I've got popcorn !
Next Martijn's going to walk out of the shower and say it was all just a nightmare.
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This is interesting!

3D Monster Maze is one of my favorite ZX81 games. Russell Marks ported it to the Spectrum, here's a comment taken directly from Martijn's internal WoS file:

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J.K. Greye Software Ltd's {3D Monster Maze|J.K. Greye Software Ltd} for the ZX81 emulated on a 128K Spectrum.
This is how it appeared at the old WOS site:

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As I mentioned before, ZXDB added IDs to these references. This is the same comment from ZXDB 2018:

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J.K. Greye Software Ltd's {3D Monster Maze|J.K. Greye Software Ltd|0028617} for the ZX81 emulated on a 128K Spectrum.
As I also mentioned before, Fogarty Lee has just modified all comments to remove title and publisher, but keep IDs from ZXDB. This is the same comment right now, in today's new WoS CSV file:

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J.K. Greye Software Ltd's {software|0028617} for the ZX81 emulated on a 128K Spectrum.
And this is exactly how it looks right now at new WoS:

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It makes sense, right?

But...

Hold on...

Wait a minute...

Do you remember when I mentioned, in my original post, that IDs in Martijn's old WoS stopped at 28187? Martijn's old WoS never gave IDs to any ZX81 title! Also new WoS doesn't even contain any ZX81 titles! Where did this ID number come from???

It turns out this is a new ZXDB ID for the original ZX81 version. You can find this ID in all sites using ZXDB content. Give it a try at SpectrumComputing:

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry.php?id=0028617

Or ZXInfo:

https://zxinfo.dk/details/0028617

Or ZX-Art:

http://zxart.ee/route/lang:eng/type:pro ... Id:0028617

Or Spectrum 2.0:

http://spectrum20.org/games/28617

Interestingly, Lee Fogarty explicitly stated he would never use new ZXDB IDs. So how can we explain ZXDB IDs misteriously appearing inside new WoS?

I guess we will never know...


NOTE: Reproduced from my post at the WoS forum
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Re: New WoS and ZXDB

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OK, I'm tired of playing wack-a-mole** where I point out a new evidence and Lee Fogarty rushes to hide it.

I'm busy now, but tomorrow I will post one final, more compelling evidence and be done with it.

Unless I'm given new reason to get back here, that is.


** Thanks to the people at SpectrumComputing forum for suggesting this term


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Re: New WoS and ZXDB

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polomint wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:29 pm
That is something else that has nothing to do with the forums.
You're obviously confused. This is the Spectrum Computing form. This section is ZXDB discussion, so this thread - about the use of ZXDB on WoS - is perfectly on topic.

The WoS forum, too, is even more so on topic. Remember when Fogarty said his development plan for WoS was to integrate the WoS forum with the rest of the site, so your login details would also be used when you submit a change? That indicates that the intention of new WoS is to not have a "separate forum". And WoS is using ZXDB. Highlighting that on the WoS forum is perfectly on topic -- heck Einar's post is in the Updates section -- the section of the forum that talks about updates to the World of Spectrum archive.

Really, you are confused, @polomint.
Why are Fogarty and Chandler keeping quiet? Why don't they offer a clear explanation of how it is all these details noticed by Einar are completely coincidental, and not taken from ZXDB? Don't you find that odd?
I, for one, praise Einar for making his point publicly, and standing his ground. The evidence is irrefutable -- you must already recognise that.
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Re: New WoS and ZXDB

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For the record, I have recently received some communications.

It was a private communication, so I am not at liberty to reproduce it here. And no please don’t ask. No one has ever managed to prise any private information out of me in the last 25 years, so don’t waste your or my time.

However, I think everyone in this topic has made the comments they want. So now may be the time to let this topic go quiet.

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Re: New WoS and ZXDB

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Mike Davies wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:09 pm
Note: SC doesn't use Apache to serve up static assets, and I believe it's using PHP-FPM -- which is why SC is still quick loading when dealing with traffic levels multiple times higher than what currently takes WoS down.
Is it really so? As far as I can see, at least logo (which is a truely static asset) is being served through Apache. And anyway PHP-FPM is also working through apache process, so it cannot be faster than apache itself.
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