Vampyre wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:37 am
Sorry Mark, but no. All you're saying here is a much politer way of polo's "put up or shut up". Going quiet is exactly what they want - i.e. ignore it long enough and it will go away. And it shouldn't.
That is NOT what I am saying.
Vampyre wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:37 amFair enough you've had some communication that's led to some change of mind or inner peace. But bear in mind the rest of us haven't had that luxury - and, you know what, it feels like that insider knowledge that has festered inside WoS since Lee took over that only the select few are ever privy to. Am I alone in feeling over the last five years, as a long standing member since the forums started in the late 90's/early 00's, that I'm a fringe member not allowed in on the joke?
I certainly don’t have any inner peace as a result of this.
Vampyre wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:37 amI've stood up for WoS many a time
This is not about standing up for WoS, or defending WoS or defending the two people you are talking about.
Vampyre wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:37 amEinar, you have my full support.
I have no problem with you saying that, but despite my personal feelings, I’m trying not to take sides, I’m trying to be independent and impartial.
Vampyre wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:37 amIn my opinion it's now up to Lee and Richard to start joining the discussion and STOP IGNORING IT. Start talking, admit what you've done and we can all move on and work together for Christ's sake. Nobody really cares all that much that ZXDB has been used to populate some of Infoseek 2 - I'm happy that they have, as many others have said too. Ignoring all communication, hoping it will eventually go away, is just narcissistic arrogance.
Again, despite my personal feelings, I’m trying not to take sides.
My aim, as I have indicated before, was to see if I could try to turn this thing around and try to get the community working together a bit more.
Please note none of the following is aimed at any particular individual. Each person reading this needs to consider if it may apply to them...
Yes people have said nasty things. People have done nasty things. Nothing can erase the history. Nothing can undo the bitterness that has happened. But the only way for the community to come together, is for the fighting (for want of a more suitable word) to stop. If the fighting was to stop, if the people involved were to step back and put their emotions aside, if they were to think about where this is going. Maybe, just maybe they would see that all that they are achieving is damage. Some of them are damaging their own interests and maybe their own dreams. Others are using this as a method, a channel to to put in public their frustrations, their disappointment, and maybe their anger (possibly from some long standing issues in the past). Whatever, the result at the moment is a large split and continuing damage to the whole scene. If left unchecked, the fractures will continue. This has happened elsewhere and the result is that parts of the scene, parts of the community will end up dying back and shrinking as they become less popular. The bad vibes however may infect other areas as well. Is this really what people want?
Sharing is good, helping one another is good. Fighting over intangible things like who used who’s data, or who’s copied who’s data when the vast majority is user supplied content or copyright material from long abandoned products is not good. Fighting over who is right and who is wrong isn’t getting us anywhere good.
It not my job to tell anyone here what to do. I just make suggestions. At the end of the day, it is up to every individual to make their own choices in life. I’m not religious (in fact I’m an atheist) but one thing the Church has got right, is that there are times when each individual should look back and think about what they have said and what they have done. What was your motive? Have your actions been for the greater good, or just for short term personal gain, or to make you feel better? If it was for personal gain or because at the time it made you feel better, just maybe you can start the ball rolling by forgiving past actions (regardless of the reasons, regardless of the rights and wrongs) and apologise to others for your comments and actions.
And just in case my earlier comments got missed, I will repeat myself: this is NOT about me taking sides, I am not backing or defending anyone. After the replies to the quoted sections, the rest of the text is NOT aimed at any particular individual. If you think it applies to you, do consider what you have done and then think about what you can now do. If you don’t think it applies to you, think to yourself why do you think that. Would other people who have not had any involvement in this reach the same conclusion?
Please note: the bulk of the text above has also been posted in the World of Spectrum forums.
Mark