PHP-FPM can be used instead of mod_php. Mod_php is an Apache extension that put the full PHP runtime into each Apache child process.
I don't think SC uses PHP-FPM, but HHVM instead. Which is a facebook-optimised PHP runtime.
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PHP-FPM can be used instead of mod_php. Mod_php is an Apache extension that put the full PHP runtime into each Apache child process.
But you still need some http server, whether it is FPM or mod_php. And it is Apache on SC. And I am pretty sure that there is no HHVM on SC, there is Apache + PHP-FPM, which are effective enough for SC needs.Mike Davies wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:53 pm PHP-FPM can be used instead of mod_php. Mod_php is an Apache extension that put the full PHP runtime into each Apache child process.
I don't think SC uses PHP-FPM, but HHVM instead. Which is a facebook-optimised PHP runtime.
it is too late. if they'll do it, they would have to admit that they were lying all along, and were trying to cover their traces. considering the hyperinflated ego of some WoS team members it is very unlikely that they will agree to accept their wrongdoings. even if we all will promise to never ever talk about that again. alas.
Yes, Ralf I am, but I don't care who is wrong or right, I will tell them to f*ckoff either way.Ralf wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:00 pm @polomint
I believe you are a friend of Richard and Lee.
So maybe tell them that wiping traces and pretending that they don't use ZXDB is simply stupid as
the evidence is overwhelming.
Maybe they'll listen to you if they don't want to talk to Einar and other people.
If they just admit it, this discussion will be over.
Just like all/most of us.I just wish that this could be sorted, quickly, amicable, and decently tbh.
Hence posting belligerent responses on two forums instead of just ignoring it like all the other threads about things you don't care about...
Exactly. Polo, I've enjoyed your posts on wos for a long time but you've come on here, and on WoS, and acted like the SC guys have done something wrong because they've dared to highlight some uncomfortable truths. If you truly don't care then leave this alone and let those who do continue.
That's basically what I have been trying to do for the last 4 years. As I mentioned before, you will find literally hundreds of posts from me at WoS forum trying to make it happen.
moroz1999 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:58 pmBut you still need some http server, whether it is FPM or mod_php. And it is Apache on SC. And I am pretty sure that there is no HHVM on SC, there is Apache + PHP-FPM, which are effective enough for SC needs.Mike Davies wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:53 pm PHP-FPM can be used instead of mod_php. Mod_php is an Apache extension that put the full PHP runtime into each Apache child process.
I don't think SC uses PHP-FPM, but HHVM instead. Which is a facebook-optimised PHP runtime.
Sorry Mark, but no. All you're saying here is a much politer way of polo's "put up or shut up". Going quiet is exactly what they want - i.e. ignore it long enough and it will go away. And it shouldn't. Yes, in the great scheme of things polo's correct - it doesn't matter all that much and there's worse things going on in the world - but that doesn't mean they should get away with it.1024MAK wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:19 pm For the record, I have recently received some communications.
It was a private communication, so I am not at liberty to reproduce it here. And no please don’t ask. No one has ever managed to prise any private information out of me in the last 25 years, so don’t waste your or my time.
However, I think everyone in this topic has made the comments they want. So now may be the time to let this topic go quiet.
Mark
That is NOT what I am saying.
I certainly don’t have any inner peace as a result of this.Vampyre wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:37 amFair enough you've had some communication that's led to some change of mind or inner peace. But bear in mind the rest of us haven't had that luxury - and, you know what, it feels like that insider knowledge that has festered inside WoS since Lee took over that only the select few are ever privy to. Am I alone in feeling over the last five years, as a long standing member since the forums started in the late 90's/early 00's, that I'm a fringe member not allowed in on the joke?
This is not about standing up for WoS, or defending WoS or defending the two people you are talking about.
I have no problem with you saying that, but despite my personal feelings, I’m trying not to take sides, I’m trying to be independent and impartial.
Again, despite my personal feelings, I’m trying not to take sides.Vampyre wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:37 amIn my opinion it's now up to Lee and Richard to start joining the discussion and STOP IGNORING IT. Start talking, admit what you've done and we can all move on and work together for Christ's sake. Nobody really cares all that much that ZXDB has been used to populate some of Infoseek 2 - I'm happy that they have, as many others have said too. Ignoring all communication, hoping it will eventually go away, is just narcissistic arrogance.
so you're saying that i can take FUSE source code, remove all authors info, rebrand it as Ketmar's Super ZX Spectrum Emulator, and it will be ok? good to know. those are "intangible things" after all, who cares.1024MAK wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:22 am Sharing is good, helping one another is good. Fighting over intangible things like who used who’s data, or who’s copied who’s data when the vast majority is user supplied content or copyright material from long abandoned products is not good. Fighting over who is right and who is wrong isn’t getting us anywhere good.
Wow, less than an hour goes by and already my comments are being taken out of context!ketmar wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:46 amso you're saying that i can take FUSE source code, remove all authors info, rebrand it as Ketmar's Super ZX Spectrum Emulator, and it will be ok? good to know. those are "intangible things" after all, who cares.1024MAK wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:22 am Sharing is good, helping one another is good. Fighting over intangible things like who used who’s data, or who’s copied who’s data when the vast majority is user supplied content or copyright material from long abandoned products is not good. Fighting over who is right and who is wrong isn’t getting us anywhere good.
as it was said many times in this topic, the ball is in WoS team ballpark. it's up to them to stop this. nobody wants their blood, we just want them to behave like a reasonable human beings. let them silently get away with what they're doing will not cause less damage to the community -- letting liars to get away with their lies never worked in the long term.
intangible things.
Precisely. Einar Saukas must have the patience of a saint to remain so calm and civil through all this.PeterJ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:49 am Hi @1024MAK,
There just needs to be an apology to @Einar Saukas in some form that he is happy with, and acknowledgement of using ZXDB.
Then things can move on. That's what everyone wants. I'm sure nobody here wants all this stress.
This is a small community, and this sort of stuff continues to spoil it.
If it's simple to resolve via a PM, why has Lee not resolved it via a PM?Lee Fogarty
I think it needs clearing up exactly what "created by" means. And another reason the data has to go is some of the changes are dubious or un-needed. This is why WoS always wanted to credit people submitting changes, and list them on the whats new page.
From what I can make out, the claim is that we are using the ZXDB database. Totally untrue - the WoS db was created a long time before - using the original data files.
Any group of people creating a database from an existing dataset will invariably create similar tables and structure. Things such as the machine types used - create a list for machine types.. both parties will likely create the same table with the same data. There is a WoS admins group on FB that Einar was in, and posts still there where I am sending structure/data to him.
That seems to be changing now to we are using "their" data. Again - untrue. There are some left over bits from a very old import test that are being removed.
WoS currently has over 300,000 indexed pages. Not just software. The software is a very small part of the database, and with the bits we are removing, comes to a minuscule amount.
This is all something that could have been sorted with a PM.
And thus begins the attempt to gaslight people. Notice he doesn't cover any of the substance in Einar's statements. Just brush it off. The data examples Einar has shown did not exist in the WoS datafiles ZXDB was founded on, they were added into ZXDB -- mainly from Einar himself! -- and those changes aren't those where one person suggests a correction into two sources - it's clear that the source of the current WoS data is from ZXDB.Lee Fogarty
I think it needs clearing up exactly what "created by" means. And another reason the data has to go is some of the changes are dubious or un-needed. This is why WoS always wanted to credit people submitting changes, and list them on the whats new page.
From what I can make out, the claim is that we are using the ZXDB database. Totally untrue - the WoS db was created a long time before - using the original data files.
Any group of people creating a database from an existing dataset will invariably create similar tables and structure. Things such as the machine types used - create a list for machine types.. both parties will likely create the same table with the same data. There is a WoS admins group on FB that Einar was in, and posts still there where I am sending structure/data to him.
That seems to be changing now to we are using "their" data. Again - untrue. There are some left over bits from a very old import test that are being removed.
WoS currently has over 300,000 indexed pages. Not just software. The software is a very small part of the database, and with the bits we are removing, comes to a minuscule amount.
This is all something that could have been sorted with a PM.
And in the time between 18 June 2020 through to 2 July, why hasn't Fogarty responded publicly or sorted with a PM Einar's concerns. That's two weeks, most of it silent where he could have talked this out with Einar. Why has he failed to explain why ZXDB-specific data appears in WoS pages? And how does that happen without touching ZXDB data?Fogarty: This is all something that could have been sorted with a PM.
If you ask kids the same type of question, the answer is “by magic”Mike Davies wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:42 pm Why has he failed to explain why ZXDB-specific data appears in WoS pages? And how does that happen without touching ZXDB data?
Very good points [mention]Mike Davies[/mention].Mike Davies wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:42 pm It doesn't explain how text that is bespoke to ZXDB appears in WoS. It doesn't explain how image references that are specific to ZXDB are appearing in WoS.