The "Maze" genre

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Top stuff fellas, won't have time to have a look myself until next week.
druellan wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:26 pm And what about snake games?:
Acorralado - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=18496

There are versions that have walls and obstacles, but in the end the maze is being formed by the snake, it is kind of a side effect of other game features.
Not for me. I'd put Snake under Action unless there was something unusual about it. The blocks are always too sparse to be a maze, and IMO the 'maze' effect created by the snake is too subtle a side effect to count. I can't imagine anyone searching for a maze game with that in mind.

(Waits for someone to point to a game that refutes this, "Snakes in a Maze" or something.)
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This is the second batch of games (always IMHO), from page 11 to 20:

DESOLATOR
DOOMSKULLE
DRACO
DYNATRON MISSION
EQUINOX
ESKIMO EDDIE
FANTASTIC VOYAGE
FAT WORM BLOWS A SPARKY
THE FIFTH QUADRANT
THE FINAL MATRIX
FIRESTORM
FROST BYTE
GIANT'S REVENGE
GO TO HELL
GYROSCOPE
GYROSCOPE II
H.E.R.O.
HIVE
HOCUS FOCUS
JASON'S GEM
JOCK AND THE TIME RINGS
KLIMAX
KYD CADET
KYD CADET II
KYD CADET 3
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This is terrifying!

Cheers Juan, keep going. I agree with ones I know so far.
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Pages 21 to 30:

LABYRINTHION
THE LIFE OF HARRY
MAG THE MAGICIAN
MAGIC CARPET
THE MAGIC ROUNDABOUT
MAGNETRON
MANSION
LA MANSION
MARINE
MARITRINI, FREELANCE MONSTER SLAYER
MARITRINI, FREELANCE MONSTER SLAYER EN: LAS INCREIBLES VICISITUDES...
MARTIANOIDS
MERMAID MADNESS
METABOLIS
METAPLEX
MICRO MOUSE
MIN CIAM PAI
MISSION OMEGA
MOLECULE MAN
N.O.M.A.D.
NANAKO DESCENDS TO HELL
NINJA COMMANDO
NONTERRAQUEOUS
OGNOM
ON THE RUN
ONE MAN & HIS DROID
ONE MAN & HIS DROID II
OROSET
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Maritrini is a sort of Gauntlet. That's why the game was catalogued in the same way?

Many games have some Action element, that's why games with some interesting maze concept may be more visible if left as Maze. At least if you don't plan to assign several genres per game, you should consider which genre prevails or even which is the most original genre in a particular game.
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Maritrini is a sort of Gauntlet. That's why the game was catalogued in the same way?
Yep I'd agree that's one of the 'maybe maze', possibly nonterraqueous too (going on feel). Haven't had chance to go through these in detail yet.

Drawing up a list for discussion is good, it helps me (and anyone else) to be consistent when collating new games for the DB. There are some pretty clear (IMO) not mazers (4 minute warning, Mermaid Madness, Magic Roundabout to name a few) that can be reclassified at the very least.

(I bet the moment Einar saw this thread he downed a bottle of cachaca and has since been wandering the streets of Sao Paulo in his underpants shouting at pigeons.)
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Not a maze game:
Birdy - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=539
Bits - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=24747 - can't be tested but probably not a maze game
Boulder Dash Construction Kit - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=650 - an utility, not a game
Buzz Off! - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=9575
Caverns of Kontonia - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=860

Probably not a maze game:
The Bolob - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=571
Bob the Space Janitor - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30146 - I was unable to run it
Bobik - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21635 - more like a logic game to me
El Bodeguero - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=18223 - Looks like a Jumping Jack clone
Bomba - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=24709 - no image to test, but probably not a maze game
Bombero - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=10455 - the image is lost, but looking at pictures is not a maze game
Brain Damage - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=673 - more like an action game
Captain Slog - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=815 - more like a video adventure
El Chatarrero Galactico - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=32166
Cherry Clearings- https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21252
Crazy Pingoin - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1134

Bould Dash clones. Not sure if Boulder Dash can be a maze game? More like a puzzle game.
Bite the Dust - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=542
Boulder Dash - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=639
Boulder Dash (VBG Version) - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=23390
Boulder Dash II: Rockford's Riot - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=642
Boulder Dash III - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=644
Boulder Logic - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=31917
Boulder Mix - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=15209
Boulder-Dash 512b - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27977
CVG Rockfall - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=14294
Cave Master - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21169

No idea, probably correctly categorized as maze game?
Captain Fizz - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=9320
Captain Kelly - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=812
Choc Ice Eater 2 - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27042
Choc Ice Eater 2011 - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26192
The Covenant - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1098
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The last batch of games from the link provided by R-Tape (pages 31 - 40)

PADDINGTON'S GARDEN GAME
PAWS
PETULANT POOGSLAY POWERFUL PARADE
PIGGY
THE PLOT
PODDER
THE PRIZE
PRODIGY
LA PROFECIA
PROJECT FUTURE
PULSATOR
RANA-RAMA
RAPSCALLION
REALM OF IMPOSSIBILITY
REC CAP
RESCUE
RETURN OF THE THINGS
ROCK 'N ROLL
S.O.S.
SABOTAJE
SAIMAZOOM
SARACEN
SCUMBALL
SLUBBERDEGULLION
SOPHIA
SPACE HUNTER
SPI-DROID
STARQUAKE
STELA II
STROMTIUM DOG:THE KILLING
SURVIVOR
SWAT!
TALOS
TANTALUS
TERMINUS
THAT SINKING FEELING
THINGY AND THE DOODAHS
THUNDERBIRS (FIREBIRD)
TIME FLIGHT
TOMB OF SYRINX
TOOFY IN FAN LAND
TREMOR
TUJAD
TUNELES MARCIANOS
VALLEY OF THE DEAD
VAMPERI
VAMPIRE KILLER
VIAJE AL CENTRO DE LA NAPIA
WILLOW PATTERN
WIZ
WRIGGLER
XADOM
XAVIOR
YACHT RACE
YUMIKO IN THE HAUNTED MANSION
ZOMBIE ZOMBIE

These are games that, in my opinion, shouldn't be considered as maze games.
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Hi [mention]R-Tape[/mention]
Between me and [mention]Juan F. Ramirez[/mention], we are collecting a ton of titles to look and recategorize. I think he already finished his sweep, mine is going to take some time, but besides that, the next step is to find the right category for all this titles.

So, since I'm taking my time, perhaps could be helpful if I start to propose a new category for the games I flag?
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druellan wrote: Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:39 pm So, since I'm taking my time, perhaps could be helpful if I start to propose a new category for the games I flag?
Yes, this sounds good to me. Ta.

We shouldn't rush into making any changes, the enormous list is looking nothing short of a genre revolution! :shock:

When we're done I can create a list summarising the proposed changes and get more opinions on it.
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Most of the games I came across are just arcade adventures (Ant Attack, Ranarama, Project Future, Starquake, ...) So it's just a question of correcting the genre entry, IMO.
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R-Tape wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:04 pmThe dictionary definition of a maze is:
"A network of paths designed to confuse"
That would rule out Pacman even though we KNOW it's a maze game.
To be honest I'm sure Pacman is NOT a maze, for the exact reason you wrote yourself. It's actually an arcade-action game with corridors/obstacles. As a general rule, if the entire level is a single screen and you can always orientate yourself instantly at a glance, it cannot be a maze.

Anyway I have been reviewing information from several threads (including this one) to improve game classification, and I'm now convinced we need a better category system. I suggest we establish a new, more flexible classification where a game can be assigned to multiple categories. Elite could be classified as both space sim and commerce, probably also strategy and management. Educational games could be classified as quiz or puzzle, not just educational. Likewise it would allow classifying certain games as platform and maze at the same time, for instance.

I was previously worried about the tens of thousands games we would need to reclassify. But I realize now that I could automatically convert classifications to the new system, before we start modifying them. Moreover I would also keep the original WoS classification for historical reasons, and also because anyone that prefers the old system would still have it too. This way we have nothing to lose!

If everyone agrees, the first step is choosing the new categories. OK?
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I suggest we establish a new, more flexible classification where a game can be assigned to multiple categories.
I said the exact thing several times before on these forums. That a game may belong to several categories. Mobygames website works this way if you need some existing example.

So I totally support this goal. It's a mammoth task that would require a lot of work but if you'd like to do it Einar, I'll try to be of some help.
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Einar Saukas wrote: Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:33 pm
R-Tape wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:04 pmThe dictionary definition of a maze is:
That would rule out Pacman even though we KNOW it's a maze game.
To be honest I'm sure Pacman is NOT a maze, for the exact reason you wrote yourself. It's actually an arcade-action game with corridors/obstacles. As a general rule, if the entire level is a single screen and you can always orientate yourself instantly at a glance, it cannot be a maze.
All of which is totally correct, if you're using the proper definition of the word "maze" - but for something like this, we're using these categories in a more colloquial sense and the vast majority of people who will be searching for pacman clones will likely think "yeah, pacman moves around a maze so I'll search all maze games" and then wonder why pacman clones don't show up. And the official pacman documentation, as well as unofficial game guides etc all refer to the play area as a "maze" (hell, even the official cartoon refers to it as such, and followup games on other platforms even use the word "maze" in the title - such as Ms Pacman Maze Madness - despite not having actual mazes anywhere in the game).

Maybe an over-arching category of "maze" for these games, with a subcategory of "labyrinth" for the kinds of mazes you're thinking of might be better.
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Einar Saukas wrote: Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:33 pm If everyone agrees, the first step is choosing the new categories. OK?
Oh, I STRONGLY agree. Trying to re-categorize this is taking me so much time, and for sure there are a lot of games that are impossible to categorize using this system.

I think that the first step could be to convert the actual category/subcategory groups into TAGS, for example: "Arcade Game: Maze" can be converted to "Arcade" and "Maze" tags. This way perhaps you can automate the process and then we can try refine it.
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I'm going to leave here my preliminary work on this category. Mind that this are my notes, so, they are a bit messy, sorry about that. I'm trying to be conservative and not to move games from category to category unless I strongly feel they are miss-categorized, but even so, there a lot of games on the list, and some of them can't even be properly categorized suing the current system. Also, this list is not complete (I'm on page 30 of 43), so, expect a bunch more on the list:

Arcade Game: Maze (not in the category)

Robin of the Wood - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4177

Arcade Game: Adventure

Acolyte - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=22902
Avenger - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=351
Diamong - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1384
Equinox - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1637
The Fifth Quadrant - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1749
Frost Byte - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1894
Gauntlet III: The Final Quest - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1993
Giant's Revenge - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2040
Herbert the Turbot - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27306
Hero of the Golden Talisman - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=11753
Hocus Focus - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2336
Infiltrado 2: Return To Reactor - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=14839
Firestorm - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1781
Kyd Cadet - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=24706
Kyd Cadet 3: The Eyeburx Plee - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30128
Kyd Cadet II: The Rescue of Pobbleflu - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25269
Magnetron - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2986
Marine - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26451
Mermaid Madness - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3134
Metaplex - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3145
Min Ciam Pai - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26427


Arcade Game: Action

4 Minute Warning - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=15577
Apples - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27438
Avtoralli - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25206
Desolator - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1359
Dingo - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27162
DoDo - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1419 (Pengo Clone)
Diamond Digger - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30177 (Digger clone)
Dinky Digger - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1398 (Digger clone)
Escape! - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16940
Exodus (Minigame Version) - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26571
Farmer Jack in Harvest Havoc! - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16793
Gauntlet - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=13430
Gyroscope - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2196
Gyroscope II - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2197
Hard Cheese - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2232
Jason's Gem - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2579
The Life of Harry - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2873
Lord Harry - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2929
The Magic Roundabout - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2985
Miner - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=18837

Pengo Clones
Eskimo Capers - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1650
Eskimo Eddie - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1651
Freez'Bees - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1870
Go Bear Go! - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2067
Ice Attack - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2439
Ice Block - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=13931

Mr. Do! Clones
Magic Meanies - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2984


Game: Simulation

Mazebot - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27956


Arcade Game: Shoot-em-up

Little Demons: The Angel Hunt - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16844


Arcade Game: Platform

Alien Bank - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16162
Dark Castle - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30270
Dynatron Mission - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1559
Danger Maze - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30445
Little Pac II - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=10577
[MOD] Mission Venom - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=11910


Game: Puzzle

Alien - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=144
Deactivators - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1278
Alien Mind - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=31999
Alien Mind Mod - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=33405
Haunted House - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=19178
Hunt the Hurkle - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16720
Little Demons: The Angel Hunt - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16844
Mazeact - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30365
Megaplex - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16912


Adventure Game: Dungeon Crawl

Goblet of Avillida - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21541
Mezi Vezemi - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=15216


-- 8< New Categories proposal --

Arcade Game: Puzzle

Alta Tension - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=24660
Double Bubble - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30294
Escape - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=15979
Escape II - Some Years Later - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26575
Forest Raider Cherry - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25408
Habilit - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2199
Harry Goes Home - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2244
In the Walls of Eryx - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30341
Kill PC - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21186
Klimax - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2713
Magic Carpet - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2978
Mole on the Dole - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=10599

Boulder Dash Clones
Diamond Man - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27221
Diamond Mine - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17188
Dizzy Dash - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26518
Double Dash - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1454
Dungeon Treasures - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17221
Earth Shaker - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1563
The Final Matrix - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1762
Flash Beer Trilogy - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=13153
Hell Master - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=12867
Humanoid - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17215
Icicle Works - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2444
Lost Caves - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2936
Mine Worker - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25367
Miner Man - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=31952
[MOD] Miner Man - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=33431


Adventure: Maze

Embassy Assault - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1609


Strategy Game: Strategy

Mission Omega - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3239
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g0blinish = Denis Popov ? :)
MazeGame is archived here https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30227
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Ralf wrote: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:46 pmSo I totally support this goal. It's a mammoth task that would require a lot of work but if you'd like to do it Einar, I'll try to be of some help.
It's a mammoth task but it's not me that would be doing most of the work! :)

This task will require the following steps:

1.) We use this forum to discuss and decide the new classification system. Although we can always refine the classification later, ideally we should try to make the best decisions possible in advance, because every change would require reclassifying lots of games all over again.

2.) Create the new classification system in ZXDB as "groups". They work like "tags", thus allowing to classify each game in several groups at once.

3.) Automatically convert from the original "game genres" into this new "classification groups" system.

4.) Identify individual titles that must be re-classified and update this information accordingly.

I can handle steps 2 and 3, they would only take a few minutes. But first we need to handle step 1. I will start a new thread about it later so everybody can provide feedback!
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druellan wrote: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:01 pm
Einar Saukas wrote: Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:33 pm If everyone agrees, the first step is choosing the new categories. OK?
Oh, I STRONGLY agree. Trying to re-categorize this is taking me so much time, and for sure there are a lot of games that are impossible to categorize using this system.

I think that the first step could be to convert the actual category/subcategory groups into TAGS, for example: "Arcade Game: Maze" can be converted to "Arcade" and "Maze" tags. This way perhaps you can automate the process and then we can try refine it.
Exactly.

For instance, according to our current hierarchical category system, Mazogs" is sometimes classified as "Arcade Game: Adventure" and sometimes as "Arcade Game: Maze". But I think it would be more appropriate to classify it as both "Graphic Adventure" and "Maze" instead. Using the new classification system would allow it.
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Re: The "Maze" genre

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The most recent notes. This is still ongoing but I'm close to completion:

New to the category:
Arcade Game: Maze

Robin of the Wood - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4177
Apache Raid!! - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=9484
FBI-13 - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=12838


Change to category:
Arcade Game: Adventure

Acolyte - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=22902
Avenger - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=351
Diamong - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1384
Equinox - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1637
The Fifth Quadrant - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1749
Frost Byte - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1894
Gauntlet III: The Final Quest - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1993
Giant's Revenge - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2040
Herbert the Turbot - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27306
Hero of the Golden Talisman - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=11753
Hocus Focus - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2336
Infiltrado 2: Return To Reactor - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=14839
Firestorm - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1781
Kyd Cadet - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=24706
Kyd Cadet 3: The Eyeburx Plee - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30128
Kyd Cadet II: The Rescue of Pobbleflu - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25269
Magnetron - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2986
Marine - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26451
Mermaid Madness - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3134
Metaplex - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3145
Min Ciam Pai - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26427
Prodigy - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3892
Pyramid 3D - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3954
Realm of the Undead - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4053
Survivor - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=5081


Change to category:
Arcade Game: Action

4 Minute Warning - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=15577
Apples - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27438
Avtoralli - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25206
Desolator - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1359
Diamond Digger - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30177 (Digger clone)
Dinky Digger - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1398 (Digger clone)
Escape! - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16940
Exodus (Minigame Version) - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26571
Farmer Jack in Harvest Havoc! - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16793
Gauntlet - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=13430
Gyroscope - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2196
Gyroscope II - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2197
Hard Cheese - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2232
Jason's Gem - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2579
The Life of Harry - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2873
Lord Harry - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2929
The Magic Roundabout - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2985
Miner - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=18837
N.O.M.A.D. - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3450
Nugger Hunt - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25443
Pi-In'Ere - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3711
Piton - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25215
Robore - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27314
Rock-Fall - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25917
Slime Dungeon - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25335
Slubberdegullion - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=23828
Space Egg - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=19069
Spider - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16832
Spiders Revenge - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25447
Stela II - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30336
Stellar Run - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26087
Styx - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4974
Styxx - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21831

This are also all Pengo clones
DoDo - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1419
Eskimo Capers - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1650
Eskimo Eddie - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1651
Freez'Bees - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1870
Go Bear Go! - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2067
Ice Attack - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2439
Ice Block - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=13931
Pengy - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3652
Pengy - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3653
Ping Pong - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3719
Pingo - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3721
Pinky - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16369
Pongo - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3812
Push Off - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3943

Mr. Do! Clones
Magic Meanies - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2984


Change to category:
Game: Simulation

Mazebot - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27956


Change to category:
Arcade Game: Shoot-em-up

Little Demons: The Angel Hunt - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16844


Change to category:
Arcade Game: Platform

Alien Bank - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16162
Dark Castle - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30270
Dynatron Mission - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1559
Danger Maze - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30445
Little Pac II - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=10577
[MOD] Mission Venom - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=11910
Pacman's Revenge - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3585
Petulant Poogslay Powerful Parade - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27315
The Plot - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3769
Taina Egypetskyh Pyramid - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25219


Change to category:
Game: Puzzle

Alien - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.php?cat=96&id=144
Deactivators - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1278
Alien Mind - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=31999
Alien Mind Mod - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=33405
Haunted House - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=19178
Hunt the Hurkle - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16720
Little Demons: The Angel Hunt - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16844
Mazeact - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30365
Megaplex - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16912
Mr. Robo - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21504
Murgatroids Revenge - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21619
Neagon - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21205
Pacman II: Razbunarea lui Phantom - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=14570
Pacmanikf - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17183
Robbo - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=13031
Robo: The Komix Game - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=13032
Rock 'n Roll - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4202
Runer Loader - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27340
Sophistry - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4648


Change to category:
Adventure Game: Dungeon Crawl

Goblet of Avillida - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21541
Mezi Vezemi - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=15216
Santa's Search - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4332
Spidoid - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25471


-- 8< New Categories proposal --
Just playing around to see how many games we got that fit those categories

Arcade Game: Puzzle

Alta Tension - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=24660
Old Tower - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=34458

Double Bubble - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30294
Escape - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=15979
Escape II - Some Years Later - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26575
Forest Raider Cherry - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25408
Habilit - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2199
Harry Goes Home - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2244
In the Walls of Eryx - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=30341
Kill PC - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=21186
Klimax - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2713
Magic Carpet - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2978
Mole on the Dole - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=10599
Randex - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4025
Saracen - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4339

Boulder Dash Clones
Diamond Man - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=27221
Diamond Mine - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17188
Dizzy Dash - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26518
Double Dash - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1454
Dungeon Treasures - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17221
Earth Shaker - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1563
The Final Matrix - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1762
Flash Beer Trilogy - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=13153
Hell Master - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=12867
Humanoid - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17215
Icicle Works - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2444
Lost Caves - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=2936
Mine Worker - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=25367
Miner Man - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=31952
[MOD] Miner Man - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=33431
Repton - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4094
Repton 2 - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4096
Riptoff - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4151
Rock 'n' Roll - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4203
Rockfall - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4211
Rockfall - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4212
Rockfall II - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4213
Rockford - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4214
Supaplex - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17206
Survivors - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=5083

Adventure: Maze

Embassy Assault - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=1609
Nomen Rosae - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17824
Ognom - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=16326
Rescue - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4110
Sinbad - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=4517

Strategy Game: Strategy

Mission Omega - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3239
Octagon Squad - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3484

Game: Board
Nightmare Park - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=10001

Arcade Game: Platform
Ninja Commando - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=3434


"Arcade: Puzzle"
"Adventure: Platform"

Matchmaze - alternate name Maze-Quest - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=17506
Maze Run - https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=26912
toot_toot
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Re: The "Maze" genre

Post by toot_toot »

Thanks for the work, but there seems to be a few inconsistencies.

Gauntlet is changed to Arcade Game: Arcade, but Gauntlet III is Arcade Game: Adventure (but Gauntlet: The Deeper Dungeons and Gauntlet II would remain as Arcade Game: Maze)? Likewise Avenger, which is essentially a Gauntlet clone, is also changed to Arcade Game: Adventure. But I presume Dandy and Ranarama (both Gauntlet clones) are staying as Arcade Game: Maze?

I don't know if Gauntlet clones maybe should be classified under Arcade Game: Dungeon Crawler which seems to the the genre used for Gauntlet in it's Wikipedia entry, although Avenger probably doesn't feel like a dungeon you're going through! However, I'd think of it as being what the user is searching for and if they look up Gauntlet, whatever the genre that's under then you'd expect all the Gauntlet clones to be in the same genre.
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druellan
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Re: The "Maze" genre

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Oh, I agree. The list still needs a second sweep to discuss those inconsistencies. I only checked the games currently under Arcade: Maze category, just to see if the category was correct or not, and you'll probably see more cases like Gauntlet, since I didn't pay attention to series or clones.

Clones need to be classified as their own thing IMO, since they often change drastically the gameplay or add more mechanics. For example, Avenger has a rudimentary object system, and that's why I thought that was more of an adventure with the maze element on top. Ranarama on the other side, is all about the maze, yes it has spells and other minigames, but the maze is the main element.

I think that a good idea might be to spin-off this discussion to another thread: one for Gauntlet and clones could be nice.
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Re: The "Maze" genre

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