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Re: Music references

Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 12:41 pm
by Ralf
I just wanted to say that I admire knowledge of classical music by some people here. You are doing a good work, sirs 8-)

Re: Music references

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 8:30 pm
by Rorthron
Cataloguing the latest additions:

Wanted Monty Mole: Kenneth Alford, Colonel Bogey March; William Henry Monk, Eventide
Corona Capers: John Philip Sousa, Liberty Bell March, The Washington Post and Stars And Stripes Forever; John Stafford Smith, The Star-Spangled Banner, national anthem of the United States of America; opening chords of Nie Er, March of the Volunteers, national anthem of the People's Republic of China; Iron Maiden, Virus; John Kander, Theme from New York, New York
* North & South: unkown; My Country 'Tis Of Thee
Wriggler; La Cucaracha
Ned's Garden: Country Gardens
Quantum Gardening: Country Gardens
Sweevo's World: John Philip Sousa, The Washington Post
Hydrofool: John Philip Sousa, The Washington Post
Twinz: W.A. Mozart, Piano Sonata No. 11 K 331, III. Rondò alla turca; Harold Faltermeyer, Axel F; Jan Hammer, Crockett's Theme; Kraftwerk, The Model; Richard Marx, Right Here Waiting
La Abadía del Crimen: Bach, Minuet in G minor, BWV Anh 115, Piano; Gwendal, Crystal Palace
The Perils of Willy: Led Zeppelin, Stairway To Heaven
Skyranger: W. A. Mozart, "Non piu andrai", from The Marriage of Figaro K 492

Re: Music references

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 9:31 pm
by MatGubbins
Wham! The Music Box (Melbourne House)
Careless Whisper
Freedom
Club Tropicana
Young Guns
Bad Boys
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Music Box 128K (Melbourne House)
Train
Gyroscope
Blue Danube
Train
Sweevos World
When The Saints Go Marching In
Rock And Wrestle

Music Box 48K (Melbourne House)
Exploding Fist
When The Saints Go Marching In
Gyroscope 4
Train
The Can-Can
Men Of Harlech

Re: Music references

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 3:15 pm
by Alessandro
No one seems to have guessed the in-game music references in Funky Fungus Reloaded (the intro music has been reworked, but the references are exactly the same of Funky Fungus). Here they are:
Spoiler
World 1: Lalo Schifrin/Jimmy Smith, The Cat
World 2: Oscar Washington/Lewis P. Simpkins/Jimmy Forrest, Night Train; based on the cover by James Brown
World 3: Herbie Hancock, Chameleon
World 4: Maceo and the Macks, Soul Power '74
Game completion screen: James Brown, I Feel Good
Finally, the music for final battle with Seto Taisho is based upon the rhythm section of the first bars and the break of Cold Sweat, also from James Brown, but it is not a rendition of it like the other tracks. I was working to a rendition of Cold Sweat for one of the worlds in fact, but I was unsatisfied with the result and left the bass/drum section and the break, speeded them up a bit and used the whole as the soundtrack for the final battle.

Re: Music references

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 12:32 am
by zxbruno
This is amazing. I thought there were only a few games with music inspired by popular or classical music. I grew up thinking the music in most games was made just for those games...

Re: Music references

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 3:02 pm
by TMD2003
Time for another musical interlude, or more...

Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back: John Williams, theme from "Star Wars" (Return of the Jedi has a different 128K AY tune which I don't recognise, and as I've never been a Star Wars fan I wouldn't know if it was from the film or not...)

The Neverending Story: Giorgio Moroder/ Keith Farsey / Limahl - "The Neverending Story"

Pyjamarama: Gershon Kingsley - "Popcorn" (though apparently, some versions of Pyjamarama are missing this tune)

Nifty Lifty: Scott Joplin - "The Entertainer"

Billy Bong: "Waltzing Matilda" (lyrics by Banjo Paterson, tune - which is what's relevant here - by "who knows"...)

Moonwalker: Michael Jackson - "Bad" (and probably a few more of his works that I have yet to discover)

Road Runner (the 1987 US Gold game, not "...and Wile E. Coyote" by Hi-Tec): Aram Khachaturian - "Sabre Dance"

Who Dares Wins II: Elmer Bernstein - "The Great Escape - Main Theme"

Circus Games: Johann Strauss II, "An der schönen, blauen Donau", Op. 314 - at the Trick Riding stage.

And as ever, there are more for the "Name That Tune" section, which I recognise the tune of, but can't identify:

Jack The Nipper II: In Coconut Capers - this one is obscure but I'm sure I've heard it elsewhere...

Rifle Range (Mastertronic, in case there are any others) - it's a "circus" type tune, not "Entry of the Gladiators". The same tune also appears in Circus Games (at the start of the Tiger Training stage) but hasn't been added to that entry.

I have no idea about the music cues for Circus Games' Trapeze or Tightrope Walking stages, so they could probably be included here. I don't even recognise them from anywhere.

Re: Music references

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 3:15 pm
by redballoon
TMD2003 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 3:02 pm Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back: John Williams, theme from "Star Wars" (Return of the Jedi has a different 128K AY tune which I don't recognise, and as I've never been a Star Wars fan I wouldn't know if it was from the film or not...)
The Return of the Jedi uses John Williams' "Ewok Celebration" from the film.

Re: Music references

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 3:58 pm
by Alessandro
TMD2003 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 3:02 pmPyjamarama: Gershon Kingsley - "Popcorn" (though apparently, some versions of Pyjamarama are missing this tune)
The so-called V2 and the Italian official translation by Jackson Soft feature an original (most probably) tune in fact.
TMD2003 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 3:02 pmRoad Runner (the 1987 US Gold game, not "...and Wile E. Coyote" by Hi-Tec): Aram Khachaturian - "Sabre Dance"
From Gayane, ballet in four acts.
TMD2003 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 3:02 pmJack The Nipper II: In Coconut Capers - this one is obscure but I'm sure I've heard it elsewhere...
Henry Mancini, Baby Elephant Walk, from the soundtrack for Hatari!.

Re: Music references

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 3:03 pm
by TMD2003
Excellent - two references I won't have to cast the net wider for. One I do recognise, though, is:

MagicAble: Queen - "A Kind Of Magic" (there was a clue in the thread title!)

How's that for rapid, eh?

Re: Music references

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 7:08 pm
by Rorthron
[mention]Einar Saukas[/mention], how do you want this data presented, if it is to be included in ZXDB?

Re: Music references

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 3:34 pm
by Einar Saukas
Rorthron wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 7:08 pm @Einar Saukas, how do you want this data presented, if it is to be included in ZXDB?
This information will go into the "comments" section of each game page. This will require a simple spreadsheet (I suggest Google Sheets so you can share your work as read-only for others to help validate it!) with 2 columns: the game ID number, and a proper comment exactly as it should appear in the game page.

Alternatively it doesn't really need to be a spreadsheet, it can be a simple text file (one line per entry) using a special character as column separator such as "|".

For instance, this is the link for game Mikie:

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2669

Therefore Mikie's ID is 2669. It plays "A Hard Day's Night", so a proper entry could be:

2669|Music: "A Hard Day's Night" by The Beatles.

Feel free to add extra columns to help you keep track of content (for instance game title). I will simply ignore them. For instance:

2669|Music: "A Hard Day's Night" by The Beatles.|Mikie (Joffa's)

You can write the comment in any way you find appropriate. Although I suggest starting all comments in the same way (for instance "Music:") so people will be able to easily search for these comments later.

Thank you!

Re: Music references

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:57 am
by Rorthron
I have been cataloguing the music references and there are two games mentioned here that I cannot identify:

Corona Capers
Includes the following music: John Philip Sousa, Liberty Bell March, The Washington Post and Stars And Stripes Forever; John Stafford Smith, The Star-Spangled Banner, national anthem of the United States of America; opening chords of Nie Er, March of the Volunteers, national anthem of the People's Republic of China; Iron Maiden, Virus; John Kander, Theme from New York, New York

High Noon
Includes the following music: Chopin, Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-flat minor op. 35, III. Lento "Funeral March" [when a gunfighter is killed]

Can anyone help me identify which games the comments are supposed to relate to?

Also, music has been given for Sweevo's World (John Philip Sousa, The Washington Post). Is it the same for Sweevo's Whirled?

Re: Music references

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:06 am
by Rorthron
BTW [mention]PeterJ[/mention], shouldn't this thread now be in ZXDB Fixes?

Re: Music references

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:08 am
by PeterJ
Rorthron wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:06 am BTW @PeterJ, shouldn't this thread now be in ZXDB Fixes?
Thanks [mention]Rorthron[/mention]. Thread moved.

Re: Music references

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:54 pm
by TMD2003
Rorthron wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:57 am I have been cataloguing the music references and there are two games mentioned here that I cannot identify:

Corona Capers
Includes the following music: John Philip Sousa, Liberty Bell March, The Washington Post and Stars And Stripes Forever; John Stafford Smith, The Star-Spangled Banner, national anthem of the United States of America; opening chords of Nie Er, March of the Volunteers, national anthem of the People's Republic of China; Iron Maiden, Virus; John Kander, Theme from New York, New York
It's my CSSCGC entry that's probably going to see me have to host next year's competition, at this rate. It hasn't been added to ZXDB yet,

And while we're at it, my almost-as-spectacularly-musical entry from 2004, Super Mario Fruit Machine, could also be included for its title music, a.k.a. "the theme from Super Mario Bros. World 1-1" (and 1-3, and - unless my memory fails me - every *-1 and *-3 in the game, and in SMB2J/The Lost Levels as well).

Re: Music references

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:05 pm
by Rorthron
MatGubbins wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 9:31 pm Wham! The Music Box (Melbourne House)
Careless Whisper
Freedom
Club Tropicana
Young Guns
Bad Boys
------------------------------------

Music Box 128K (Melbourne House)
Train
Gyroscope
Blue Danube
Train
Sweevos World
When The Saints Go Marching In
Rock And Wrestle

Music Box 48K (Melbourne House)
Exploding Fist
When The Saints Go Marching In
Gyroscope 4
Train
The Can-Can
Men Of Harlech
As far as I can see, ZXDB only has two versions of this title: Wham! the Music Box 48K (ID 8965) and The Music Box 128K (ID 8481):

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/8 ... _Music_Box
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/8 ... _Music_Box

Which titles are you referring to?

Oddly The archive states that The Music Box came free with Wham! the Music Box, even though the former was apparently released a year after the latter.

Re: Music references

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:16 pm
by MatGubbins
Rorthron wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:05 pm
MatGubbins wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 9:31 pm Wham! The Music Box (Melbourne House)
Careless Whisper
Freedom
Club Tropicana
Young Guns
Bad Boys
------------------------------------

Music Box 128K (Melbourne House)
Train
Gyroscope
Blue Danube
Train
Sweevos World
When The Saints Go Marching In
Rock And Wrestle

Music Box 48K (Melbourne House)
Exploding Fist
When The Saints Go Marching In
Gyroscope 4
Train
The Can-Can
Men Of Harlech
As far as I can see, ZXDB only has two versions of this title: Wham! the Music Box 48K (ID 8965) and The Music Box 128K (ID 8481):

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/8 ... _Music_Box
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/8 ... _Music_Box

Which titles are you referring to?

Oddly The archive states that The Music Box came free with Wham! the Music Box, even though the former was apparently released a year after the latter.

Both of them, there is a Wham! version for 48k only.


and

Download the TZX from Music Box
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/8 ... _Music_Box
and you will have the 128k edition and the 48k edition - this is not the wham! version but a new version with different songs.

Welcome to the party!

Re: Music references

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:57 pm
by Rorthron
Thanks. So is the archive wrong, then, and has it conflated two different 48K versions?
Should we instead have three titles:

1. Wham! the Music Box 48K (1985);
2. The Music Box 128K (1986);
3. The Music Box 48K (1986)?

Should the note also say that 2 and 3 cane together, rather than 1 and 2?

Re: Music references

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:09 pm
by MatGubbins
1 Wham! 48k was released by itself with George and Andrew on the cover

2 & 3 (128k and 48k) were released together with a music box on the cover. No Wham! in this edition.

Re: Music references

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:15 pm
by Rorthron
The archive only mentions 1 and 2 and suggests they were sold together (while contradicting itself with different release dates.

Re: Music references

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:45 pm
by MatGubbins
As far as I know, the Wham edition wasn't sold with the 128 music biox.
I did purchase Wham! when it was released. My friend purchased the 128 music box the following year to go with his 128k Spectrum, I borrowed his tape to grab a copy of the program and recorded both sides because it had a new 48k version.

Re: Music references

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:54 am
by Einar Saukas
Rorthron wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:15 pm The archive only mentions 1 and 2 and suggests they were sold together (while contradicting itself with different release dates.
This information came from old WoS. I'm fixing it now!

I will update it to say that The Music Box is a Spectrum 48K/128K title (one version on each tape side just like Fairlight) and it's derived from Wham!

Re: Music references

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:48 am
by Rorthron
MatGubbins wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 9:31 pm Wham! The Music Box (Melbourne House)
Careless Whisper
Freedom
Club Tropicana
Young Guns
Bad Boys
------------------------------------

Music Box 128K (Melbourne House)
Train
Gyroscope
Blue Danube
Train
Sweevos World
When The Saints Go Marching In
Rock And Wrestle

Music Box 48K (Melbourne House)
Exploding Fist
When The Saints Go Marching In
Gyroscope 4
Train
The Can-Can
Men Of Harlech
1. What is "Train"?

2. The Sweevo's World title music is The Washington Post per other sources, and The Can-Can is Galop Infernal, so I will change both of these.

3. I am planning to exclude Gyroscope, Rock and Wrestle and Exploding Fist, unless we can identify the tunes as sourced from elsewhere.

This means the proposed ZXDB comment is likely to look something like this:

8965|Wham! The Music Box|Includes the following music: Wham!, Careless Whisper, Freedom, Club Tropicana, Young Guns, Bad Boys
8481|The Music Box|Includes the following music: [48K] When the Saints Go Marching In; Jacques Offenbach, Orphée aux enfers II, 2 “Galop Infernal”; Men Of Harlech; [128K] Johann Strauss Jr., An der schönen, blauen Donau op.314 “The Blue Danube” waltz; John Philip Sousa, The Washington Post; When the Saints Go Marching In

Does this make sense?

Re: Music references

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:57 am
by StooB
Einar Saukas wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:54 am
I will update it to say that The Music Box is a Spectrum 48K/128K title (one version on each tape side just like Fairlight) and it's derived from Wham!
No, not like Fairlight at all! Fairlight was released in 1985 before the 128 was released, with a separate 128k version the following year.

Re: Music references

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:44 am
by Einar Saukas
StooB wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:57 am
Einar Saukas wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:54 am
I will update it to say that The Music Box is a Spectrum 48K/128K title (one version on each tape side just like Fairlight) and it's derived from Wham!
No, not like Fairlight at all! Fairlight was released in 1985 before the 128 was released, with a separate 128k version the following year.
What I mean is, the 128K release of Fairlight included both (48K and 128K) in the same package, as separate programs.