DEVASM-Z80 - Cross Development Environment in Assembler for ZX-Spectrum based on PASMO

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Re: DEVASM-Z80 - Cross Development Environment in Assembler for ZX-Spectrum based on PASMO

Post by Einar Saukas » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:30 pm

Joefish wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:11 pm
Was it actually 'freeware'? Or was it just not paid for?
"Freeware" means "copyrighted but available for free". Therefore it's a program that has an owner, but others are allowed to use without paying for it.
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Post by Joefish » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:39 pm

Whatever your definition, there's still no automatic permission to re-distribute it in this way.
And I very much doubt the author has given such permission, since he has a newer version to sell!
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Post by Alessandro » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:42 pm

Joefish wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:25 pm
Just because you can download it for free doesn't make it 'freeware'.
You have no automatic right to host or distribute something that's someone else's copyright, however you obtained it.
I am sure as eggs is eggs that Jonathan made Spectaculator freely downloadable and distributable before he changed this policy with version 6.0. And even then, he kept it on his website for some time more, if my memory serves me correctly.

Anyway, I don't quite understand why we should be that much concerned about a Spanish website hosting a "development environment" including an old and superseded version of Spectaculator. The Web is filled with sites hosting "denied" Spectrum-related stuff (let alone the rest) about which we cannot do anything, and this isn't even the case.
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Re: DEVASM-Z80 - Cross Development Environment in Assembler for ZX-Spectrum based on PASMO

Post by Einar Saukas » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:55 pm

Joefish wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:39 pm
Whatever your definition, there's still no automatic permission to re-distribute it in this way.
And I very much doubt the author has given such permission, since he has a newer version to sell!
It's everyone else's definition too.

For instance, Wikipedia:

Freeware is software, most often proprietary, that is distributed at no monetary cost to the end user.
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Post by Einar Saukas » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:32 pm

Anyway I'm a software author myself, also my work on ZXDB requires me to be aware of copyright implications all the time so we will never infringe on anything. Thus I obviously understand the concern about respecting other people's copyrights.

However let's also keep in mind the following points:

* Licenses cannot be changed retroactively. If v5.3 was released under a license that allowed free distribution, then the authors have the right to also release v5.3 again under a different license (then users will have 2 licenses to choose from), and the right to change the license for newer versions. But they cannot "invalidate" the original license for v5.3. Otherwise imagine you downloaded a free program, checked the license to ensure you have the right to use it for free, start using it... then you suddenly get sued for using it without paying because "surprise they changed their license yesterday!".

* The copyright owners have the right to impose whatever conditions they want on distribution of their freeware programs. But they made these programs available for free without imposing any distribution restrictions, it's implicit that it can be distributed freely. I believe that's the case with v5.3.

Besides these legal points, in practice Jonathan is not even maintaining the commercial version of Spectacular anymore, so I very much doubt he would bother about someone distributing the very old v5.3 that he used to freely distribute himself anyway.
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Post by Ralf » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:16 pm

30 seconds long search reveals this:
https://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/discussion/2214/
Spectaculator is being distributed as freeware (although donations are
welcome) and can be obtained from http://www.spectaculator.com/
So yes, older version were freeware.
I can imagine that people hosting these versions in 2019 may "hurt" Jon's business a bit. Actually
most of folks probably just want to play their few favourite games from childhood and they can do
it perfectly well using older versions so why pay?

But we can say the same about every other free emulator ;)

Personally I purchased Spectaculator long ago and I'm really happy with my money spent. I used it
for countless hours and it very rarely let me down.

Today it's getting a bit old without any updates for years but still not obsolete in any way. If
I remember correcly it's also cheaper nowadays than it used to be - 15$ vs 30$ if I remember correctly.
So if you hesitate my advice is "buy it" :)
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Re: DEVASM-Z80 - Cross Development Environment in Assembler for ZX-Spectrum based on PASMO

Post by Joefish » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:01 pm

Einar Saukas wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:32 pm
* The copyright owners have the right to impose whatever conditions they want on distribution of their freeware programs. But they made these programs available for free without imposing any distribution restrictions, it's implicit that it can be distributed freely.
No, it's not. You don't assume any rights over someone else's copyright material that you aren't explicitly granted.
You have no right to publish someone else's work unless they specifically grant it to you.
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Post by djnzx48 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:39 pm

Yay, another copyright thread!

I did find this from 2004, it only mentions CD-ROM distribution though:
It says, basically, you can't distribute it on a CD-ROM without express written permission from myself (even if you don't charge for it).
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Post by Stefan » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:29 pm

Just found the installer for Spectaculator 5.3 which states:
License Agreement:
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This Software Product may be freely used, copied and distributed as long as it is not sold, and all original files are included, including this license. You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software Product (either for profit or merely to recover your media and distribution costs) whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission. By using this Software Product, you agree to these terms and the terms of the Disclaimer below:
So while this may not have been the intention, the license explicitly states that it may be distributed as long as there is no charge.
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Post by PeterJ » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:53 am

Well found @Stefan
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