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Alcoholics Anonymous wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 3:54 pm SID was never promised. It was experimented with and a demo shown. People cried it was C64, a prominent AY musician gave up his pledge over its possible inclusion, the prospect of not being allowed to call it a SID was raised.
You are kidding?
Full SID support, can only be a great bonus feature and cant hurt anyone. :?
Prominent immaturity and stupidity, I would say...
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Pegaz wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 4:17 pm You are kidding?
Full SID support, can only be a great bonus feature and cant hurt anyone. :?
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Remember this is supposed to be open source when everythings done and dusted...meaning people can write their own cores. If you want sid and other features I'm sure at some point cores will be released for it.
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Alcoholics Anonymous wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 3:54 pm
toot_toot wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 11:49 am That one line from the Kickstarter Campaign appears to have been the biggest part of the delay. Yet other features that were touted at the start have been dropped or quietly forgotten - ULAPlus, 14MHz boost mode, SID chip support, Rex Next, the new Dizzy game, Nodes of Yesod. The team clearly have made a decision to drop some features, yet have stuck doggedly to the keyboard design.
????

ULAplus was replaced with ULANext because of disagreements that I am not privy to. ULANext fits better with how the palette is handled in the rest of the Next's display layers. I would not choose to use ULAplus except for compatibility.


14MHz is there - where did you hear it isn't? 14MHz was never in the original kickstarter - only 7MHz was. This was a bonus that came later.

SID was never promised. It was experimented with and a demo shown. People cried it was C64, a prominent AY musician gave up his pledge over its possible inclusion, the prospect of not being allowed to call it a SID was raised. Par for the course in the Spectrum scene.

Rex Next, the new dizzy game, the nodes of yesod are still being developed. In the meantime there are at least 30 other games being made.

This is 2019. People use keyboards in their daily lives and have expectations for them, especially since they are the primary interface to the machine. The quality of the keyboard can impact on the perceived quality of the whole.

Personally, I think ULANext is not the same as ULAPlus as it's just essentially a completely new Video Mode for the Next making Next only games look better, more unique and ultimately less like a Spectrum. While I understand ULAPlus isn't to everyone's tastes, at least the games still look like Spectrum games, albeit slightly more enhanced graphically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlP76nWAtDg

Personally again, I would have preferred the ULAPlus, but if it's been dropped then that's fine.

Yes, 14MHz is still in there - sorry I forgot it was 28 MHz that was dropped. However 28MHz boost was announced as an official update in June 2017 here: https://www.specnext.com/new-turbo-modes-14-and-28mhz/

(with a retracted update from January 2018 saying 28MHz wouldn't be available).

SID might have been one of those features that was hinted at, but the FM sound was definitely listed in the Campaign (in fact it's still there), but that too seems to have been quietly dropped.

There have been no updates on the status of Rex Next, Dizzy or Nodes of Yesod in months - all three of those games were promised as part of Stretch goals (which were met)

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But my point is that many features were promised but have been dropped. I'm OK with that as they've made the decision that it would either take up too much time or resources to implement them.

But what they haven't dropped is the Modern Feel Keyboard and while that's is nice to have, let's be honest it's caused significant headaches and delays. They've doggedly stuck with the keyboard design, as with my original post making the recent Next updates feel like I've backed a keyboard, not a new Spectrum.

Has the old 35+ year old keyboard design of the original Spectrum stopped people playing them? No! I still play my original Spectrum - in fact you could say the keyboard feel adds a bit of genuine experience!
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beanz wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 4:34 pm Remember this is supposed to be open source when everythings done and dusted...meaning people can write their own cores. If you want sid and other features I'm sure at some point cores will be released for it.
Sorry to be "moaning" again, but yes you're right. This was an Open Source project, the Campaign stated
Most importantly, once launched, the Spectrum Next will be fully open source, including its firmware and schematics, meaning the community will be able to take it further into the future by improving both its software and hardware!
At the time people were excited at the thought of the same board design being used for other projects, like a Commodore 64 Next, MSX Next etc, after all the FPGA is reportedly capable of handling most 8-bit computers (I believe 16-bit computers were a bit too demanding).

The board only version of the Next was released in November 2017, but reportedly the team haven't released the source code or schematics in fear of clones being made before the cased Next is released. That's fine, but now that they're running 18 months behind schedule, that's 18 months lost for other teams using the same, open source, design for other machines or even improvements by the community to the Next itself.

But what worries me is that the team are now talking about a second Kickstarter campaign once the cased Nexts are released, does that mean Open Source will also be quietly dropped as any clones could impact the success of the second Kickstarter campaign?
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Yes I was wondering myself about the Open Source situation now they have pretty much announced another run of not only the cased next but the board only option too.

I can see it being a bit of "shoot yourself in the foot" to release the docs and then try to sell more of them. Still, I doubt anyone has the resources and/or inclination to create the case...the board only though should be pretty much something anyone could easily replicate.
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toot_toot wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 12:16 pm Personally, I think ULANext is not the same as ULAPlus as it's just essentially a completely new Video Mode for the Next making Next only games look better, more unique and ultimately less like a Spectrum.
I think you have a misunderstanding of what ULAnext is - it serves the exact same purpose as ULAPlus. Both change the palette of the existing spectrum colours but do nothing to the colour resolution. You can colour existing games using ULAnext just like you can with ULAplus.

There are two things you can do in the next.

One is you can use the spectrum like normal and you can change the palette entries for ink, bright ink, paper, bright paper to different colours (each colour is 9-bit). So you could change ink 2 (red) to something else, eg, brown. Then all red ink pixels will be brown. Bright red ink is different - you could change that independently to orange, eg. This is straight up colour substitution.

ULAnext is a step further. It changes the meaning of an attribute byte by letting you specify how many of the rightmost bits in the attribute byte will be considered the ink colour. The rest are taken as the paper colour. ULAplus does the same thing but the rightmost 3 bits are always ink and the next 3 bits are always paper. This would be equivalent to a ULAnext format byte of 0x07. Where they depart is ULAplus uses the bright and flash bits to select different palette sets whereas ULAnext only uses the flash and paper bits to extend the paper colour selection (or ink selection if the format byte has more bits set).
Yes, 14MHz is still in there - sorry I forgot it was 28 MHz that was dropped. However 28MHz boost was announced as an official update in June 2017 here: https://www.specnext.com/new-turbo-modes-14-and-28mhz/
(with a retracted update from January 2018 saying 28MHz wouldn't be available).
It crashes the machine. It's not really useful if it's going to do that :(

Everyone is committed to providing the best machine possible but there's also an eye on what was promised in the kickstarter as that is what people pledged money for. In the kickstarter, 7MHz is what was promised so getting 14MHz is icing.
FM sound was definitely listed in the Campaign (in fact it's still there), but that too seems to have been quietly dropped.
Yes FM has been dropped because it takes up too much space. You'd have to choose other things to remove to make space for it. The SID was being considered as the FM option as was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJLFV96Tt7c

Another option being considered is enhancing the AY. But what can be done depends on priorities and available fpga space. The core is not done yet - it's still being developed.
There have been no updates on the status of Rex Next, Dizzy or Nodes of Yesod in months - all three of those games were promised as part of Stretch goals (which were met)
The oliver twins were taking the new dizzy game design + screenshots on tour to many retro events last year. The game will be for both the 128k and the Next with the Next seeing some enhancements (but not too many from what I have seen - multiple AY and clashless sprites are what I noticed. Perhaps they would change the palette too as that's something easy to do). I think the dev is fairly far along.

Rex Next and Nodes are being done by the original programmers. I haven't seen much from them but it is still going. This is dependent on their spare time.

There's a wip video for the 128k version of wonderful dizzy on the specnext games site:
https://www.spectrumnextgames.uk/#Games
But my point is that many features were promised but have been dropped. I'm OK with that as they've made the decision that it would either take up too much time or resources to implement them.
I don't think very much has been dropped.
Processor: Z80 3.5Mhz and 7Mhz modes
Memory: 512Kb RAM (expandable to 1.5Mb internally and 2.5Mb externally)
Video: Hardware sprites, 256 colours mode, Timex 8x1 mode etc.
Video Output: RGB, VGA, HDMI
Storage: SD Card slot, with DivMMC-compatible protocol
Audio: 3x AY-3-8912 audio chips with stereo output + FM sound
Joystick: DB9 compatible with Cursor, Kempston and Interface 2 protocols (selectable)
PS/2 port: Mouse with Kempston mode emulation and an external keyboard
Special: Multiface functionality for memory access, savegames, cheats etc.
Tape support: Mic and Ear ports for tape loading and saving
Expansion: Original external bus expansion port and accelerator expansion port
Accelerator board (optional): GPU / 1Ghz CPU / 512Mb RAM
Network (optional): Wi Fi module
Extras: Real Time Clock (optional), internal speaker (optional)
Everything in this list is in except the FM sound.
The expansion bus and accelerator are still seeing some work.

Stretch goals:

(done) there must be two
(done) box of memories
(active) nodes of yesod
(active) internet toolbox
(active) we play more
(done) holy manual
(done) never forget
(active) make me dizzy
(active) rex next
(done) expand me easy
(done) stronger zx next

Let's not forget that there have been additions way beyond these lists in both the software and hardware. As just one example, neither Sinclair nor Amstrad ever contributed as much to the operating system as what is in NextZXOS.
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Alcoholics Anonymous wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 6:00 pm
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Memory: 512Kb RAM (expandable to 1.5Mb internally and 2.5Mb externally)
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Did they really mean 512 kilobits of RAM, or did they perhaps mean 512 kilobytes?
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Kilobytes lol.

So arguably the original goal of 512 Kilobits and the stretch goal of 1 Megabits have been vastly exceeded! Even more so if you consider Kb and Mb to denote 1,000 and 1,000,000 respectively, like nobody sane did ever unless they were referring to a drive storage context.
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Firefox wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 3:24 pm
Alcoholics Anonymous wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 6:00 pm
Did they really mean 512 kilobits of RAM, or did they perhaps mean 512 kilobytes?
Please tell me that wasn't a serious question?
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Sokurah wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:15 pm Please tell me that wasn't a serious question?
Yes...?

Oh well, I'm off to drink 500Ml of beer! ;)
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Alcoholics Anonymous wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 6:00 pm
I don't think very much has been dropped.
Processor: Z80 3.5Mhz and 7Mhz modes
Memory: 512Kb RAM (expandable to 1.5Mb internally and 2.5Mb externally)
Video: Hardware sprites, 256 colours mode, Timex 8x1 mode etc.
Video Output: RGB, VGA, HDMI
Storage: SD Card slot, with DivMMC-compatible protocol
Audio: 3x AY-3-8912 audio chips with stereo output + FM sound
Joystick: DB9 compatible with Cursor, Kempston and Interface 2 protocols (selectable)
PS/2 port: Mouse with Kempston mode emulation and an external keyboard
Special: Multiface functionality for memory access, savegames, cheats etc.
Tape support: Mic and Ear ports for tape loading and saving
Expansion: Original external bus expansion port and accelerator expansion port
Accelerator board (optional): GPU / 1Ghz CPU / 512Mb RAM
Network (optional): Wi Fi module
Extras: Real Time Clock (optional), internal speaker (optional)
Everything in this list is in except the FM sound.
The expansion bus and accelerator are still seeing some work.

Stretch goals:

(done) there must be two
(done) box of memories
(active) nodes of yesod
(active) internet toolbox
(active) we play more
(done) holy manual
(done) never forget
(active) make me dizzy
(active) rex next
(done) expand me easy
(done) stronger zx next
Well, you could say that technically none of those have been delivered to cased Next backers.... and until they get the keyboard working, there's no sign of when they will be delivered to cased Next backers.
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You could say that, but it was said in reponse to
But my point is that many features were promised but have been dropped. I'm OK with that as they've made the decision that it would either take up too much time or resources to implement them.
not as a statement that everyone has received their machines. Those people who have received their machines so far can attest that those features haven't been dropped.

What you're saying is analogous to "Ford has removed the engine from the 2020 Focus. I know this because the 2020 Focus hasn't been delivered to dealerships yet, so nobody has received an engine until everyone who has preordered receives their car."
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Firefox wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:27 pm Yes...?

Oh well, I'm off to drink 500Ml of beer! ;)
lol. I'm with you - I know the importance of using proper units. Having a mega- anything even something that looks as small as an "l", probably means we won't see you until next week.
toot_toot wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 12:29 pm
Most importantly, once launched, the Spectrum Next will be fully open source, including its firmware and schematics, meaning the community will be able to take it further into the future by improving both its software and hardware!
At the time people were excited at the thought of the same board design being used for other projects, like a Commodore 64 Next, MSX Next etc, ............ but now that they're running 18 months behind schedule, that's 18 months lost for other teams using the same, open source, design for other machines or even improvements by the community to the Next itself.
Actually several people who were interested in helping out were given access to the core source. Only two outside the team have contributed anything (myself and Garry Lancaster).

Someone familiar with the uno was given the ucf file which they used to generate a core for the next.

People interested in doing things could have been doing them; the reality is only a few will get around to doing anything. But for sure the core source will not be opened until the kickstarter pledges are completed.

The schematics have been available for a while. I think what surprised everyone is that someone managed to make a portable spectrum next without any help at all:

https://www.dorchester3d.com/printing/b ... t-handheld

Where there's a will there's a way.

The same goes for the software end. There's actually a fairly strong set of development tools available now and emulators that can emulate important aspects of the machine. Information about the hardware and operating system is available.
But what worries me is that the team are now talking about a second Kickstarter campaign once the cased Nexts are released, does that mean Open Source will also be quietly dropped as any clones could impact the success of the second Kickstarter campaign?
I can see it being a bit of "shoot yourself in the foot" to release the docs and then try to sell more of them. Still, I doubt anyone has the resources and/or inclination to create the case...the board only though should be pretty much something anyone could easily replicate.
It will be opened after the first kickstarter. No one will be able to replicate the zx next exactly because of the case as you say. Existing fpga computers will be able to do most things but will probably miss one or more of the wifi, rtc, pi, joysticks, no-delay keyboard.. and I am hopeful there will be some good reasons to have a pi even for non-linux or pi tinkerers. Nothing will stop people from making their own pcbs. Maybe with a board only offer, there won't be much difference in pricing between a 3rd party pcb and an official one, especially if the official one can benefit from volume discounting.
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Another month passed...
I cant access spectrum next forum, at the moment.
Always gives me some certificate error??
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Certificate expired, and Henrique is travelling away at E3. Will be renewed as soon as he can manage it.
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Pegaz wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:26 pm I cant access spectrum next forum, at the moment.
Always gives me some certificate error??
I took a risk and went through the cert warning to the site; it's still there and people are posting.
Another month passed...
Hmmm....we are going to get the finished product this year...aren't we?
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I took a risk and went through the cert warning to the site; it's still there and people are posting.
Another month passed...
Hmmm....we are going to get the finished product this year...aren't we?
Who the f**k knows? :lol:

No seriously, we are ALL waiting the news on the flipping keyboard and its a shame that its taken so long to get right as everything is ready to go.
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According to their Twitter feed:

"Still waiting on news on the keyboard. There are a few different threads happening in parallel. Changes to the hammer size, domes, contact design which requires new tooling. Hoping to have results soon!"

Backers were told a month ago that minor changes were being made to the contact patterns on the membrane to fix the multi-keypress problem, the results of which would be known in a week's time. However it appears from the tweet that things are a lot more serious than that.

Comments on the Kickstarter page are becoming more negative than positive fuelled mainly by the lack of information and updates. What details are available are being fed to backers from other sources such as the Twitter feed. The failure to renew the Certificate for their main website is just another example of the apathy and lack of concern for this project.
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The failure to renew the Certificate for their main website is just another example of the apathy and lack of concern for this project.
Is one negative way you could look at it, the other way is that the new cert had been renewed but incorrectly applied and the person who can remedy that has been out of the country.

I really don't understand what people expect to happen by moaning continuously, its late and that's it - nothing anyone can do about it, would you prefer a product with either no keyboard or one that doesn't work? I know what I would like as a backer, a working keyboard.

The scale of this project is so small that you just cant demand a team of experts at any company to devote hundreds of hours of engineering time on this. But surely everyone will already know that as they all seem to be experts.
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I don't think there's a lack of concern for the project, my guess is that we have a bunch of good guys getting increasingly stressed out thinking "OH GOD WE WANT TO DELIVER THIS BUT THE REALITY IS A NIGHTMARE!". I'm surprised that something as fundamental as a keyboard is hard to do these days, but it looks like the Next team are too. Even still, it's a welcome change from that 'other project' that was an obvious swindle.

If we're still wondering what the crack is in 2020 though, well, I was going to say that I would assume my £200 is gone, but the board is done—we're guaranteed something aren't we?
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emook wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:47 pm But surely everyone will already know that as they all seem to be experts.
I think you'll find this country is tired of experts... :mrgreen:
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emook wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:47 pm I really don't understand what people expect to happen by moaning continuously, its late and that's it - nothing anyone can do about it, would you prefer a product with either no keyboard or one that doesn't work? I know what I would like as a backer, a working keyboard.
Right now I'd be happy with just the board, at least I'd be able to plug an old PS2 keyboard into it. You know, one of those keyboards that actually works. That and a PSU in whatever colour cardboard case they've decided on. Ship them out to all the backers with the locked off firmware and printed manual if possible, URL to download it and a PDF file if not. Then send the bulky box and packaging and super-duper case out when they're ready and we can just pop the board into it when it arrives. All pressure lifted. :)

If it's moaning to ask where the regular backer updates have got to (every two weeks wasn't it?) or if it's moaning to wonder where the definite "before end Q2 delivery" date stands then sign me up! If you want to see some real moaning then have a read of the comment posted by JoeZx a few days ago on the Kickstarter page. Now THAT'S moaning!
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but the board is done—we're guaranteed something aren't we?
The board is bought and paid for yes- also boxes, psu, manuals, SD cards, Pis etc But I am sure everyone would prefer it in the case and with the keyboard as promised.
my guess is that we have a bunch of good guys getting increasingly stressed out thinking "OH GOD WE WANT TO DELIVER THIS BUT THE REALITY IS A NIGHTMARE!"
This is more accurate than you can believe and everyone involved is doing their part for FREE, no one on the team is being paid to write software, games, perfect the and update the core, write the OS, man the FB page, host the dev sites, give out updates, etc - so yes its a bit tiring having to defend the project when you're doing it for the love of the machine / scene. If there was another bash at this maybe some decisions would have been mad and things taken a different course.

We have over 3000 people who have backed the project but only a small proportion of those are the ones who bring negativity to the table, in fact I should start making a list :D <that was a joke> Seriously though, we know its late and incredibly frustrating for everyone.

The cert issue has been fixed now as well. So we can turn the apathy bulb back to green.
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Bizzley wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:11 am
Right now I'd be happy with just the board....
The board only option has been delivered a long time ago, over 300 of them went out - it was said at the time if you dont want to wait for full kits back the board only - I'm sorry you didnt take that option, I did try and wrangle you a board at the time after I found out you were interested but not everything always works out.
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