Games that would really benefit from music

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Games that would really benefit from music

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Being a 128k owner back in the day, I was always happier when games made use of the AY chip. Obviously games made before the 128k was produced didn’t make use of the extra memory and sound chip and to be honest, a lot of games play fine just making use of the beeper but some games that play with just the odd beeper effect or in silence really feel strange, especially if you have played them on other formats that do have music.

Anyway, case number 1.

Super Wonder Boy In Monster Land:

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As the title screen says, sound by pure luck. David Whittaker provided the music for the CPC version (admittedly it was only for the title screen) so I’m not sure what happened with the Spectrum version. I guess Activision didn’t want to pay for extra costs of 128k content or it just wasn’t possible to include some music. I just feel that the game needed a tune to be playing whilst you play this great little RPG style platformer.

So what games do you think would benefit from having some in game music?
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Feud!

And 128K AY music is certainly possible, it exists on the Amstrad version...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5HJWR0jwvI

...and was ported over to the MSX version, which is incredibly similar to the ZX Spectrum (albeit slower)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnoY3xrH4_s
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PeteProdge wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:38 am Feud!

And 128K AY music is certainly possible, it exists on the Amstrad version...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5HJWR0jwvI

...and was ported over to the MSX version, which is incredibly similar to the ZX Spectrum (albeit slower)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnoY3xrH4_s
Good shout. Recently an unofficial version has been uploaded with AY music: https://youtu.be/7BQWeun_gWs
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- Bombjack
- Mikie

They are great ports on Spectrum but the arcade versions of them had very characteristic tunes during gameplay and having them on Spectrum would be great.
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PeteProdge wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:38 am Feud! And 128K AY music is certainly possible, it exists on the Amstrad version...
now on ZX https://vtrd.in/gamez/f/FEUD_GT.zip
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Super Wonder Boy In Monster Land has two melodies on amstrad (one in the menu another in the pause mode)
I converted them on a spectrum,
but game (is denied) and unfortunately is not complete.
there is no part of the code for final fight (the dragon/robot is not mobile)
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for example SWB TitleMusic on ZX
https://yadi.sk/d/Xe3H13Zyhl8D8Q
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Another couple of games I wished had in game music are R-Type & Ghosts N Goblins.
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Juan F. Ramirez wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:49 pm Green Beret
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I'm pretty sure there's a version of Commando with AY music out there. A hack, obviously, but still.
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goodboy wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:58 pm but game (is denied) and unfortunately is not complete.
there is no part of the code for final fight (the dragon/robot is not mobile)
That's a known problem, and the game was heavily bugfixed here to make it work:
https://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/ ... terland/p1
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Metalbrain wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:40 am
goodboy wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:58 pm but game (is denied) and unfortunately is not complete.
there is no part of the code for final fight (the dragon/robot is not mobile)
That's a known problem, and the game was heavily bugfixed here to make it work:
https://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/ ... terland/p1
Yup, a lot of effort went into fixing it, but the detail is lost in the thread...

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I thought Batty was a brilliant game, and it is probably the spectrum game I still play the most to this day. It had the gameplay, nice graphics and great colours, all that was missing was a tune.
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There's loads of enhanced remixed games, where various people have added AY music to games that didn't have it previously.

If you go here, you can find quite a lot of them here:

http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/tomcat/T ... racks.html

There's Commando with the proper arcade music, Sacred Armour of Antiriad with much nicer AY version of Richard Joseph's classic tune, Barbarian Collection with added AY sound, Zynaps etc. Loads of games and they're brilliant when enhanced with AY music.

If you choose the games that have either the music icon or 128 icon, they tend to be the enhanced games.

Is there any chance these could be added to the database? There seems to be quite a lot of enhancements released, but not a single site that tracks them all as even the site above is a little out of date.
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Bard’s Tale - AY music for the bard songs
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Sokurah wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:41 pm
Juan F. Ramirez wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:49 pm Green Beret
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I'm pretty sure there's a version of Commando with AY music out there. A hack, obviously, but still.
Yep, and a pretty funky tune it is too.

https://youtu.be/FDZimGehAbM
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Ralf wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:41 pm - Bombjack
- Mikie

They are great ports on Spectrum but the arcade versions of them had very characteristic tunes during gameplay and having them on Spectrum would be great.
Characteristic in that they both had songs by The Beatles! :D

Bombjack - Lady Madonna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYTVc7bCXUs

Mikie - A Hard Days Night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oi9_eTMTrI

But yes, it would have been really nice to have had those tunes on the Speccy!
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MrD wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:45 am Bard’s Tale - AY music for the bard songs
Also The Hobbit, when Thorin sits down and sings about gold. :D

Star Wars would benefit from sound full stop.
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Really don't get this desperate need for chip music in a game. Whoever thought to themselves, what would make this game better? I know - if I was trapped in a Las Vegas hotel lift while playing it!

That Commando one is just annoying, and it's not helped by the tune just playing through the title screen and the game as well regardless. And it drowns out what little sound effects there were. I'd much rather the sound chip was used for generating better sound effects. Maybe have a simpler, quieter tune playing on two channels and dedicate one channel and the noise generator to effects. And at least have the tune stop and re-start between levels, and play something else when the player dies. Otherwise, it's just cheesy background muzak.
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Nick wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:19 pm
MrD wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:45 am Bard’s Tale - AY music for the bard songs
Also The Hobbit, when Thorin sits down and sings about gold. :D

Star Wars would benefit from sound full stop.
I remember being very disappointed when Star Wars was released and it had a message saying “due to memory limitations, there is no sound, so play your favourite music instead”!

But it turned out memory issues wasn’t the reason, they just ran out of time and you’ll be glad to hear that there is a version of Star Wars with sound! I’ll have to find it, but I’m sure it’s the Star Wars trilogy compilation version (I think it’s the TZX called V2 on this site).
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