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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by Einar Saukas » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:44 pm

Joefish wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:31 pm
Is it safe to assume 'Treble Champions' is the later title, since that got ported to other platforms?
It was also re-released later. Another good guess, thanks!
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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by Einar Saukas » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:46 pm

Also which one is the original: Adventure Builder or Adventure Builder System ?
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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by 8BitAG » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:54 pm

Einar Saukas wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:46 pm
Also which one is the original: Adventure Builder or Adventure Builder System ?
Adventure Builder is the original, type-in system from Sinclair User, that was later expanded upon and released by Tartan as the Adventure Builder System (ABS).
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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by Einar Saukas » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:17 pm

8BitAG wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:54 pm
Einar Saukas wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:46 pm
Also which one is the original: Adventure Builder or Adventure Builder System ?
Adventure Builder is the original, type-in system from Sinclair User, that was later expanded upon and released by Tartan as the Adventure Builder System (ABS).
Thanks!
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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by 8BitAG » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:32 pm

Einar Saukas wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:20 pm
There are 5 titles in this series:
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... oup_id=235
Are they supposed to be played in any specific order?
Open Door was written as a complete introduction, so that one should be first.

Tom's usual order of putting them on tape was Open / White / Green / Red / Yellow.

(that's not the order the games were created in but is probably the official order of the series & a decent order to tackle them in.)
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:47 pm
There seems no real reason why Rays gets two entries and Crisis at Christmas only one!
Are there any differences between Crisis at Christmas and White Door?
Never mind, I just noticed that you have already answered this question in another post!
Probably as much as between Rays/Yellow Door. :-/

I'm actually of the opinion that Rays/Yellow Door shouldn't be two separate entries. The games are virtually identical. Magazines often referenced one when they meant the other (the magazine section references for both are a little bit of a mess... there are 'Yellow Door' references on the 'Rays' page, for instance). I'd personally have said a single entry, with the different versions clearly labelled and explained, would've been enough.

All the Tartan entries are pretty confusing, due to the amount of compilations (and tweaked compilations) that Tom put out; including several special offers for fanzines and magazines.

You can see how interchangeable the two titles of Rays & Yellow Door are here...

There are two six-in-one compilations...
Six-in-One https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=11355
and
Tom Frost's Six Pack https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 6&id=11382

Both entries in the database list Yellow Door on the compilations.

Both entries confusingly link to the same Your Sinclair review... of Six-in-One https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/mag.php ... 40&page=81

And that review refers to the game on the tape as being Rays!

But, on the tape images given (both call the compations 6-in-One btw) ... it's Yellow Door...

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Honestly, I think Rays & Yellow Door would be better off as a single entry, entitled Rays aka Yellow Door with the description mentioning that Rays was later tweaked to become part of the Tartan "Door" series of games. Things were more fluid back then. The game just morphed from one title/incarnation to the other. They weren't two distinct games. Just two different versions of the same game.

Certainly it would remove the issue over confusing facts like all the compilations that Rays is listed as being on, on its SC page, are actually compilations whose images feature the game Yellow Door.
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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by 8BitAG » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:00 pm

Out of interest, I did a comparison of the Quill source code for Rays and Yellow Door.

Aside from the framing device of the doorway at the start, it's mostly formatting, spelling, and minor bug fixes.

http://8bitag.com/temp/rays-yellow.pdf
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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by jpablo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:44 pm

Though it's not the same case, I was wondering if El Mundo Perdido could be split from People from Sirius by creating a new entry and using the new derived relation.

I've always thought that the current re-release relation falls a bit short, but it is essentially the same game anyway - certainly not a mod by any means!
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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by Juan F. Ramirez » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:12 pm

And what about Frank N Stein Rebooted?

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... id=26834

Should be included as derived? I think you know much about this story ;)
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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by 8BitAG » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:05 pm

Comparing the linked text adventures...

Daemon https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... id=0010759
...which later became...
The Haunting https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... 96&id=6422

Comparison: http://8bitag.com/temp/daemon-haunting.pdf

Although the game logic is largely the same, resulting in two games pretty much identical in terms of puzzles, virtually every message has been tweaked slightly. There are some additional messages in the revised version.
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Re: HELP WANTED: Derived games

Post by druellan » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:38 pm

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Un buen día me puse a probar juegos de ZX Spectrum a ciegas en Youtube, terminó siendo:
📺 Retroarqueología en Youtube

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