Official vs non-official variants of software

Broken link? Feature request? Anything related to the Spectrum Computing website here.
User avatar
spider
Microbot
Posts: 112
Joined: Wed May 01, 2019 9:59 am
Location: UK
Contact:

Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by spider » Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:09 pm

This is slightly confusing however, I wonder if here it is planned / intentional to include non-official ports/conversions/variants of software for other platforms in the listing or not.

If so, could there be some kind of flag or indication it is not an official version perhaps ?

Practical example of this: Let's take a quick glance at The Hobbit , I want to mention I only grabbed this as I knew a little about it generally.

The listing states the following:
Other platforms: Amstrad CPC , BBC Micro, Commodore 64 , Commodore Plus/4 , MSX
That's quite true however as they do exist but the concern here is the +4 version is not an official one, its been 'enthusiast built' from the C64 version. Nothing wrong with that, the conversion itself is actually excellent anyway. All AFAIK.

As a sidenote to this there's also an OricAtmos (48K machine not 16K) version of the above title too. I have it.

With the above in mind, what is the official take on this please ? :) I do want to add that I'm not actually fussy either way on it and can see various practicalities with marking down versions as being 'official' or not, not to mention the time taken to actually find out about them in the first place.


Also a few years back I did a few ports to the BBC Micro of a handful of Speccy games too (yes really) so I am not sure if you would like specifics on these to consider their "Other platforms:" status. One of them I even managed to get ahold of and get a positive response from the original author and obtain permission! :D The others ignored me.
0 x

User avatar
Einar Saukas
Manic Miner
Posts: 949
Joined: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:48 pm

Re: Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by Einar Saukas » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:00 pm

spider wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:09 pm
If so, could there be some kind of flag or indication it is not an official version perhaps ?
ZXDB already has a flag for each platform to indicate if the version is official or not. You just need to ask Peter to display this information in SC :)

spider wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:09 pm
As a sidenote to this there's also an OricAtmos (48K machine not 16K) version of the above title too. I have it.

With the above in mind, what is the official take on this please ? :) I do want to add that I'm not actually fussy either way on it and can see various practicalities with marking down versions as being 'official' or not, not to mention the time taken to actually find out about them in the first place.

Also a few years back I did a few ports to the BBC Micro of a handful of Speccy games too (yes really) so I am not sure if you would like specifics on these to consider their "Other platforms:" status. One of them I even managed to get ahold of and get a positive response from the original author and obtain permission! :D The others ignored me.
Yes, we are interested in this information!

I exported here a spreadsheet containing all versions of Spectrum games available in other platforms:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

If anyone wants to volunteer to add missing information to this spreadsheet, please let me know. But don't worry, we don't expect anyone to collect everything. If you can add just a few rows to this table, it would already help a lot!
1 x

User avatar
Stefan
Dizzy
Posts: 94
Joined: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:51 pm
Location: Belgium
Contact:

Re: Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by Stefan » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:08 pm

Einar Saukas wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:00 pm
I exported here a spreadsheet containing all versions of Spectrum games available in other platforms:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

If anyone wants to volunteer to add missing information to this spreadsheet, please let me know. But don't worry, we don't expect anyone to collect everything. If you can add just a few rows to this table, it would already help a lot!
I'm happy to add all SAM Coupé references.
0 x

User avatar
Einar Saukas
Manic Miner
Posts: 949
Joined: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:48 pm

Re: Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by Einar Saukas » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm

Stefan wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:08 pm
I'm happy to add all SAM Coupé references.
Thanks!

However SAM Coupé titles shouldn't be just listed as "ports". It's a Spectrum-like machine, therefore all these titles should have been properly added to the archive instead. Just like programs for the Timex, ZX80, ZX81, Sinclair QL, Pentagon/Scorpion, ZX-UNO, ZX-Evolution, ZX-Spectrum Next, and others.

It seems whenever I open a discussion about any specific database content, we realize there's something else to be fixed!

Anyway the SAM Coupé titles already stored in the database can be seen here:

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... hine_id=16

I will complement this list with these other titles listed only as "ports", afterwards I will ask your help to validate and complement the list, OK?
1 x

User avatar
Stefan
Dizzy
Posts: 94
Joined: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:51 pm
Location: Belgium
Contact:

Re: Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by Stefan » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:17 pm

Einar Saukas wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
However SAM Coupé titles shouldn't be just listed as "ports". It's a Spectrum-like machine, therefore all these titles should have been properly added to the archive instead. Just like programs for the Timex, ZX80, ZX81, Sinclair QL, Pentagon/Scorpion, ZX-UNO, ZX-Evolution, ZX-Spectrum Next, and others.
Fair point.
Einar Saukas wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
It seems whenever I open a discussion about any specific database content, we realize there's something else to be fixed!
Haha.
Einar Saukas wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
Anyway the SAM Coupé titles already stored in the database can be seen here:

https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/index.p ... hine_id=16
Euch - can SAM Coupe be updated to SAM Coupé please.
Einar Saukas wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
I will complement this list with these other titles listed only as "ports", afterwards I will ask your help to validate and complement the list, OK?
Great. Happy to help.
0 x

User avatar
8BitAG
Manic Miner
Posts: 330
Joined: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:25 pm

Re: Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by 8BitAG » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:50 pm

I had no idea that SAM Coupé stuff was covered by ZXDB.

I will have to go through all the SAM Coupé text adventure stuff at some point... We did quite a lot of enhanced Spectrum games for the SAM, with extra QoL routines, back in the day.
0 x

User avatar
Einar Saukas
Manic Miner
Posts: 949
Joined: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:48 pm

Re: Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by Einar Saukas » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:05 pm

Stefan wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:17 pm
Euch - can SAM Coupe be updated to SAM Coupé please.
Done!
0 x

User avatar
Einar Saukas
Manic Miner
Posts: 949
Joined: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:48 pm

Re: Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by Einar Saukas » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:06 pm

8BitAG wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:50 pm
I had no idea that SAM Coupé stuff was covered by ZXDB.

I will have to go through all the SAM Coupé text adventure stuff at some point... We did quite a lot of enhanced Spectrum games for the SAM, with extra QoL routines, back in the day.
Thanks!

But please wait until the next ZXDB update. I have just added quite a few more SAM titles.
0 x

User avatar
8BitAG
Manic Miner
Posts: 330
Joined: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:25 pm

Re: Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by 8BitAG » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:52 pm

Einar Saukas wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:06 pm
But please wait until the next ZXDB update. I have just added quite a few more SAM titles.
You probably won't have the ones I'm thinking of. :) I can get very obscure with the SAM.

However, you should have all of these...
http://solutionarchive.com/list/platform%2C52/
0 x

User avatar
spider
Microbot
Posts: 112
Joined: Wed May 01, 2019 9:59 am
Location: UK
Contact:

Re: Official vs non-official variants of software

Post by spider » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:24 pm

I'll see what I can find time to do. For the immediate moment:

The Oric version of Hobbit might be an officially sanctioned port actually I can't be sure...

The Hobbit (Oric version) Based on Speccy version AFAIK. Plays extremely well. Brilliant port imo. Not as many gfx as ZX version but enough.
Image


Skooldaze, unofficial ports for both Oric and Amstrad CPC exist.

Skooldaze (Oric Version)
Image

Skooldaze (Amstrad version)
Image


The following games exist on the BBC Micro as they were ported across from Speccy to BBC Micro a few years ago by myself.

Interestingly only Mr McNeill responded to my perm request for a port (positively, what a nice man), the others I never had a reply from although its obviously quite possible the emails I used were well dead I suppose.

With all the 'ports' the original author's copyright was left intact and I purposely never put (c) by me on any of them. Random pics:

SubSunk
Image

Galaxias
Image

Project X - The MicroMan
Image

The O-Zone / Microman II

Image

Magic Castle
Image

Probably something else I've forgotten, there is Urban Upstart actually but aside from some WIP screenshots (if interested?) I'm unsure on its status as we're taking 2012 last time I looked at it. :oops: Twas a bit tight on ram, I think it was 90% complete.

EDIT... Seems I messed the image's up a bit, sorry. If you want the larger ones, view the image then change the URL from (example)

Code: Select all

https://i.postimg.cc/tZqJFddv/hobbit-oric-atmos.png
To...

Code: Select all

https://postimg.cc/tZqJFddv
... In other words lose:
> The description at the end of the URL
*and*
> The "i." at the start of the URL.
0 x

Post Reply