Cyrillic version of the Spectrum ROM

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Cyrillic version of the Spectrum ROM

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Vaguely related to all this, and this is a question for [mention]Alone Coder[/mention] and any other Russians:

Was there ever an agreed standard for a Cyrillic version of the Spectrum ROM character set? I've made one myself, in case I ever need it, but some of the characters still don't look right. It's much the same with the equivalent Greek, which has a lot more curly characters and isn't particularly suitable for 8×8 character squares.
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TMD2003 wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:27 pm Was there ever an agreed standard for a Cyrillic version of the Spectrum ROM character set?
AFAIK, no. Every author did translations differently.

Some used Microsoft-style, when all alphabet letters are one after another - А, Б, В, Г...

Some by "pronounce" (like picture below)
A = А
B = Б
C = Ц
D = Д

Some used character positions by similarity
A = А
B = В (letter V)
C = С (letter S)
3 = З (letter Z)
and used other letters for additional characters, that was placed randomly, and possibly not full charset for getting more free memory.
TMD2003 wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:27 pm I've made one myself, in case I ever need it, but some of the characters still don't look right.
Cyrillic letters for Russian is ok here:

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96 chars were used in old releases, but modern programs use 256 chars with "CP-866" encoding. Usually such font (2048 bytes) is encoded in screen format (inc h).
Cyrillic ROMs were very rare (I never touched a computer with that).
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Maybe a shared standard exists by computers with both latin and cyrillic alphabets in ROM?
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At least some of them follow the KOI-7 character standard (do not know which one).
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Alone Coder wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:53 am Cyrillic ROMs were very rare (I never touched a computer with that).
Friend of mine bought some 48k clone, where was hardware switches to choose from regular/turbo loader and English/Russian font in ROM.
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Bedazzle wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:16 pm Friend of mine bought some 48k clone, where was hardware switches to choose from regular/turbo loader and English/Russian font in ROM.
That's interesting, can you please provide more information? Name, date, serial number, packing, manual, story etc.
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http://speccy.info/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D ... %D0%B0-002
В шрифте вместо строчных латинских букв располагались заглавные русские.[1]
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Alone Coder wrote: Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:34 am That's interesting, can you please provide more information? Name, date, serial number, packing, manual, story etc.
К сожалению, подробностей не знаю. Это было в середине девяностых, друг привёз его из Севастополя.
На корпусе два рычажка переключения турбозагрузки с ленты и шрифта. Видимо, ПЗУ менялось либо полностью, либо частично.
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azesmbog wrote: Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:56 am http://speccy.info/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D ... %D0%B0-002
В шрифте вместо строчных латинских букв располагались заглавные русские.[1]
Клавиатура другая была, пластиковые клавиши и краской написано, точно не цветная.
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Re: So what actually IS the story with the Pentagon and Scorpion?

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Bedazzle wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:51 pm

Cyrillic letters for Russian is ok here:

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The 3rd set are Greek characters. Is there a modified Greek Spectrum ROM?
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firelord wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:56 pm
Bedazzle wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:51 pm Cyrillic letters for Russian is ok here:
Image
The 3rd set are Greek characters. Is there a modified Greek Spectrum ROM?
Not that I know of - I drew that character set myself. But there is some Greek-language software out there - it was some posted uMIAs a while back. Some kind of "teach yourself chemistry", as I remember...

Theo Develegas was not involved.

ALSO: I have just discovered (on Es.pectrum) the Ukrainian Orel BK-08, which has all the error reports translated into Russian and a Spectrum-style Cyrillic character set, although it uses some weird italic-style characters without actually being italic. It's probably for clarity.
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TMD2003 wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:54 pm
firelord wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:56 pm
The 3rd set are Greek characters. Is there a modified Greek Spectrum ROM?
Not that I know of - I drew that character set myself. But there is some Greek-language software out there - it was some posted uMIAs a while back. Some kind of "teach yourself chemistry", as I remember...

Theo Develegas was not involved.
Ok thanks.
The programs you mention make their the letters for foreign languages using software. I was hopping that it might be a hacked ROM with that implemented.
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